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As you can tell, without new wolves basketball numbers coming in, fantasy basketball over, and the trade deadline come and gone, I'm drowning in an emptiness of data. Therefore, I'm off hunting it down on my own.

In that quest, I stumbled across basketballvalue.com, and an overall list of players looking at things like +/-

http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.p ... order=DESC

In this chart, Ryan Gomes came in 16th, and McCants came in 25th.

Now, before anyone gets too excited, remember that +/- is not a very good metric, and it is just as affected by how good the player is as it is by how bad the replacement is. For example, McCants had a high overall rating because, while MIN lost ground when he was on the court, they REALLY lost ground when he was on the bench!

In any event, if a team does better when a player is on the court, its hard to view that as a bad thing.

I just thought some of the numbers-jockeys here would like it.

BTW, here's one of my favorite articles from the site's authors, attempting to determine historically of each draft position:

http://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm

The other link you posted on the draft board is really good too.

On topic, I'm currently of the opinion that Gomes is the better 6th man for the Wolves. He can play 2 positions and he comes without the frustrating deficiencies of McCants... albeit a less explosive scorer.

The +/- figures used are adjusted ones so in theory they take account of the strength or weakness of the players replacement to come up with a true value for each players worth.

It is interesting to note from the draft pick numbers in the article that the 6th pick turns out to be worse than any other pick in terms of production compared to expectation.

andyhop wrote:It is interesting to note from the draft pick numbers in the article that the 6th pick turns out to be worse than any other pick in terms of production compared to expectation.

Then you'll really like this article:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2.htm

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Then you'll really like this article:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2.htm

Is 6 just the position in the draft where teams start reaching for someone after all the "surer " players are gone I wonder?.There doesn't seem to be any good reason why the pick should have been so consistently bad.


Going back to the +/- numbers I think that Rashad's are overstated a bit due to the fact that as basically a scorer he only gets serious minutes when he is doing that well and if he is off he gets pulled from the game before he can have his overall numbers affected.

Gomes numbers to me ring truer as an indication of his impact.

Al Jefferson is a team-worst -12.97. We ought to trade his butt.