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With all this talk about our first round pick, it would be a nice change of pace to actually discuss our two second round picks.

I think we can all agree (most of us, anyway) that we'll try to land a solid big man to play with us next year with one of our two picks, and then draft someone who will stay overseas for a year or two with the other one. Or we could trade the 2 picks up for a low first rounder if someone we like is still on the board.

So who do you guys think we'll target?

For the player who would be on the team right away, I'd go in the direction of Joey Dorsey or Roy Hibbert if he SOMHOW falls to round 2 (which isn't completely out of the question). Or if he falls to late first, we could package up the picks to nab him. My true dream though is for Brandon Rush to fall to us. He'd be an excellent leader on this team. A skilled one at that.

For our next pick, if I were a betting man, I'd bet we either go Ante Tomic, John Riek, or Nathan Jawaii. Those guys seem to be the "international men of mystery" this year, and I'd say why not if we're looking to stash someone away for a little while. All 3 are big centers that could pay big dividends for us down the road.

Yeah we should pick up atleast one big man in the second round. Maybe two if we don't take one with our lotto pick. I also like the idea of trading the 2nds to move up and draft Hibbert or Robin Lopez.

Here was a thread from awhile ago that ranked the players that might be available in the second round.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=778158

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B Calrissian wrote:
Welcome to the Wolves board. It always good to have more fans on here.

Thanks man! I've been posting on various B-Ball/Timberwolves forums for years now, but for some reason I've always just read the posts here instead of join in on any of them. But I'm hoping to make this my permanent posting home now. The quality of discussion and intelligence here is top notch.

Yeah, welcome.

I think you pretty much nailed the options as far as I'm concerned. I would REALLY like to package the two and move up to grab one of Lopez, Thabeet, Hibbert, or McGee (whoever is available).

Barring any trades, Dorsey looks intriguing as Al's backup and Hardin has a good chance of falling to us. For the "stash overseas" pick, either Tomic or Jawaii sound good.

I'm not so sure Dorsey makes it to round 2. He's someone that could probably contribute immediately coming off the bench for one the elite teams. I think he goes late first.

I'm also not so sure about being able to trade two seconds for a first, even a late first. Is there any history of this happening?

I would like a big two guard with one of our seconds. Someone like Walker/Foster/Roby. I guess that's assuming we don't draft Mayo or resign Snyder. I think this is a very, very guard heavy draft and there will be value in the early second.

The other second will probably be international. Rudy Mbemba has been thrown around a lot. I can't really picture him being drafted this year, but who knows.

Dr, there are from last year:

The deal: ESPN's Ric Bucher reports the Suns agreed to trade the rights to their No. 24 pick to Portland in exchange for cash. The Suns selected Rudy Fernandez from Spain at No. 24, but he'll be sent to Portland via an agreed-to trade.

The deal: The Sixers have agreed to trade Petteri Koponen, who they selected with the 30th overall pick, to Portland in exchange for the Blazers' 42nd pick -- Vanderbilt's Derrick Byars -- and cash considerations.

The deal: Seattle traded the 31st overall pick -- Purdue's Carl Landry -- to Houston for cash and a future second-round pick.

I believe first round picks have a guaranteed contract, which makes late first round picks more costly to their owners, especially on teams where the player is not expected to contribute. I would think that the Wolves being able to trade into the first round by packaging their picks is highly possible.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Fhw5DthqKzoJ:blogs.twincities.com/timberwolves/2008/04/mchale_scouts_in_europe.html+mbemba+rudy+mchale&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

The Wolves are scouting a 5'11", 176 PG from Sweden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYq5fu-jYdU

youtube him, plenty of results will pop up

Welcome Tor. I used to have a friend named Tor. He was an exchange student from Norway.

Tor wrote:
For the player who would be on the team right away, I'd go in the direction of Joey Dorsey or Roy Hibbert if he SOMHOW falls to round 2 (which isn't completely out of the question). Or if he falls to late first, we could package up the picks to nab him. My true dream though is for Brandon Rush to fall to us. He'd be an excellent leader on this team. A skilled one at that.

I do like the Dorsey idea if we dont keep Craig Smith and not sure if its best to let him walk or not.

Hibbert falling to the late 1st would love to see the Wolves move back in and try to land him.

As fas as Rush, he was locked himself up as being picked in the teenies after his performance in the tournament.

My 2 favorites in the 2nd rd would be DJ White & Bill Walker.

cpfsf wrote:http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Fhw5DthqKzoJ:blogs.twincities.com/timberwolves/2008/04/mchale_scouts_in_europe.html+mbemba+rudy+mchale&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

The Wolves are scouting a 5'11", 176 PG from Sweden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYq5fu-jYdU

youtube him, plenty of results will pop up

Wow, thanks for the heads up, dude. That'd be tight. Have to support my Swedish heritage, yo!

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:Welcome Tor. I used to have a friend named Tor. He was an exchange student from Norway.

That's tight. Me (Swedish)...your friend (Norway)...the name is straight up Scandinavian I suppose.

Considering there was nothing on youtube besides dunk contest videos on the guy, it's probably safe to say he doesn't have game.

Sorry guys I have not been posting lately, but I had to jump all over this one. I believe this second round depends completely on Free Agents Craig Smith, Ryan Gomes and Sebastian Telfair. If Telfair goes, and we get #3, then Bayless is the obvious choice. If Gomes goes, I can see them using the first pick in the second round for a more polished big man, such as a Richard Hendrix, Jason Thompson, or D.J. White. If Craig Smith is gone, I can see them praying that Devon Hardin falls... Too many if's, but here's the players I'd love to see:

SF Bill Walker
SG J.R. Giddens
C Devon Hardin
PF Richard Hendrix

The draft is before FA starts so the draft will decide what happens with signing the teams FA's rather than the other way round.Apart from that the list seems about right.

Hardin is at the top of my list assuming nobody major falls out of the 1st round and a trade can't be made to get a late 1st.

Walker seems like a reasonable gamble taking someone who was projected a couple of years ago (pre-injuries) as a Lotto pick in the 2nd.

A second round of Walker and Hardin would sound wonderful.

Even though I think Walker is a little too offensive minded at times.

Hibbert is still going in the top 10 I'd assume, he didn't finish the season well, but you're still talking about a 7'2 21 year old with lots of talent.

remember that Sene was a #10 just by being 7' and athletic, and Pavel Podkolzin was a top 25 pick just for being 7'5" and nothing more

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Hibbert is still going in the top 10 I'd assume, he didn't finish the season well, but you're still talking about a 7'2 21 year old with lots of talent.

remember that Sene was a #10 just by being 7' and athletic, and Pavel Podkolzin was a top 25 pick just for being 7'5" and nothing more

Unfortunately for Hibbert, there's just absolutely no way he'll go that high anymore. He really had a falling out this season, especially towards the end.

Steve_Holiday wrote:Dr, there are from last year:

The deal: ESPN's Ric Bucher reports the Suns agreed to trade the rights to their No. 24 pick to Portland in exchange for cash. The Suns selected Rudy Fernandez from Spain at No. 24, but he'll be sent to Portland via an agreed-to trade.

The deal: The Sixers have agreed to trade Petteri Koponen, who they selected with the 30th overall pick, to Portland in exchange for the Blazers' 42nd pick -- Vanderbilt's Derrick Byars -- and cash considerations.

The deal: Seattle traded the 31st overall pick -- Purdue's Carl Landry -- to Houston for cash and a future second-round pick.

I believe first round picks have a guaranteed contract, which makes late first round picks more costly to their owners, especially on teams where the player is not expected to contribute. I would think that the Wolves being able to trade into the first round by packaging their picks is highly possible.

None of those deals combine 2 2nds to try and move up to the 1st round (which I don't believe has ever happened). The first two are examples of teams buying 1st round picks from teams with multiple 1st rounders that year. That's the most likely scenario that we could pick up an extra 1st rounder in. Teams with multiple 1st rounders this year are New Jersey (#'s 10 and 21), Seattle (#'s 2 and 24) and Memphis (#'s 4 and 28).

Carl Landry wasn't a 1st round pick. There are 30 teams in the NBA. #31 is the first pick in the 2nd round, not a 1st round pick.

Yeah, the draft it before FA, I was leaning towards the Front Office might figure out what they want to do with their own free agents before the draft. I think for sure Bassy's future will hinge on the draft, but I have a strong feeling they might know before the draft what they plan on doing with Craig and Ryan. BTW, I am a big fan of J.R. Giddens, if we lose Snyder, I'd like to see Giddens on the team.

I think Hibbert has top-10 talent. I think his game will fit the NBA game much better than the system they had at GT. Even more so if he is with a strong post player and he can focus on the things that make him a good player
-Passing, anchoring a defense and being a smart player on both sides of the court.

If we could make a move to get Hibbert+ a top3 player I feel we would be on the upswing. I have scouted Hibbert and watched more of him than anyone here and I feel he would be very, very nice than Al. Lopez has higher upswing, but Hibbert might be the better fit.

Think of Hibbert as a better passing, Higher BBIQ Haywood. (less rebounding, but I think his college rebounding numbers do not reflect his ability)

That being said, big guys are almost always drafted for Potential. We argued this earlier but there is no prospect since Yao Ming (hibbert is no where near that talented) that fits Roy's profile. What will likely happen is he slips to the mid teens where a playoff team picks him up and he produces very well.

Rev,

Haywood is a bad comparison. Haywood is one of the most physical centers in the league, something Hibbert is not.

I think David Harrison is a good comparison. I also think Kandiman isn't far off. Sure Kandi is terrible now, but when he was with the Clippers he averaged 10 and 8 over his first five years.