Realistic trading partners to get another 1st round pick.

[theGreatRC]

Let's see some creativity up in this shiiii! ( I want to see some Shrink-esque posts )

Wizards and Wolves

Wolves trade: McCants, Jaric
Wolves get: Thomas + #18

Wizards trade: Thomas + #18
Wolves get: McCants, Jaric

Why for the Wizards?
If they let Mason walk, McCants is a huge upgrade to their bench, and could be a legit sixth man on that team, or even replace Stevenson. Jaric can play 1-3 and could run the point on a team if Gilbert decides to opt out.

Why for the Wolves?
We get rid of Jaric's contract, and bring in a C who will be able to bang and hold his own down low. We also get the 18 and could possible draft the player Rev used to have a crush on(Hibbert)

Foye/Telfair
Mayo/Brewer
Snyder/Gomes
Jefferson/Smith
Hibbert/Richard

I want that to be our young core so badly. It could happen, but most likely not.

[shrink]

The coolest deal on the trade board right now (which has gotten raves reviews from fans of all three teams) includes Etan Thomas and the Wiz. It goes:

MIN GIVES: #3 + Jaric
MIN GETS: #6 + Etan Thomas + MIN's protected future 1st returned from LAC + MEM protected future 1st (Navarro trade)

LAC GETS: #3 + Jaric
LAC GIVES: #6 + Tim Thomas + MIN's prot. future 1st

WAS GIVES: Etan Thomas, MEM protected future 1st (top 16 protected in 2009, top 14 protected in 2010, top 12 protected in 2013, else second round pick & cash)
WAS GETS: Tim Thomas

WHY THIS WORKS:

The thing that makes this fly is that each of the three players are over-priced, but still can be productive, and they each are a negative in their current situation, but fit precise needs in their new home.

The Clippers biggest need is a pass-first PG that can get the ball inside to Elton Brand. With Brand, Maggette, Thorton, et al, they do not need a scoring PG. Their second biggest need is a SG that can defend other SG's, and Jaric can do that a little too. Jaric also has the benefit that wehn they draft the local (and popular) Mayo, he can be on the floor alongside him.

For the Wizards, they really need to move Etan Thomas, because he and Haywood hate each other, and have come to blows in practice several times. Tim Thomas gives them a useful SF/PF scorer off the bench, and his contract is even slightly smaller.

For the Wolves, they have to give up on Mayo, but they turn the #3 into the #6 plus TWO future protected 1sts. Jaric may be the most productive of the three players, but as our young players evolve, his usefulness here will decrease. As a center that works hard on defense, Etan is a much better fit, and his deal is a year shorter as well.


After this deal, I don't think it would be hard to get that mid-round pick in 2008. In fact, instead of the MEM pick, we might be able to get WAS' 2008 pick (#18) if we included a second rounder or the BOS 2009. The MEM pick will most likely be better than #18 .. the Wiz would just have to wait on it. Even if the Wiz didn't accept, I think if we dangled that package (2009 MEM + 2008 2nd), it'd get us a pick in the teens from someone to get Hibbert.

[Tor]

If the Wolves truly are ready to part with McCants at any point before the draft, Phoenix in the late lottery would be a good trading partner. I really hope that's not the case though, and I don't think it will be.

[deeney0]

Phoenix doesn't have a lottery pick, Atlanta made the playoffs.

[funkatron101]

Let's see some creativity up in this shiiii! ( I want to see some Shrink-esque posts )

Wizards and Wolves

Wolves trade: McCants, Jaric
Wolves get: Thomas + #18

Wizards trade: Thomas + #18
Wolves get: McCants, Jaric

That is an amazing deal. We trade McCants and Jaric, get Thomas and the 18th pick, and then get McCants and Jaric back?

[Krapinsky]

WAS GIVES: Etan Thomas, MEM protected future 1st (top 16 protected in 2009, top 14 protected in 2010, top 12 protected in 2013, else second round pick & cash)
WAS GETS: Tim Thomas [/b]

I Think Tim Thomas has a higher negative value than Etan Thomas, even with his heart surgery and all.

[TrentTuckerForever]

MIN GIVES: #3 + Jaric
MIN GETS: #6 + Etan Thomas + MIN's protected future 1st returned from LAC + MEM protected future 1st (Navarro trade)

LAC GETS: #3 + Jaric
LAC GIVES: #6 + Tim Thomas + MIN's prot. future 1st

WAS GIVES: Etan Thomas, MEM protected future 1st (top 16 protected in 2009, top 14 protected in 2010, top 12 protected in 2013, else second round pick & cash)
WAS GETS: Tim Thomas

So who do the Wolves take at 6? Randolph, Jordan or Bayless if he's available IMO... leaves a lineup that, depending on free agency, would look like:

Gomes/Randolph/Buckner
Jefferson/Smith
E. Thomas/Richard
McCants/Brewer/Snyder
Foye/Telfair

I dunno Shrink. I can see the argument for this, and getting our pick back from the Clips would be a huge plus. The biggest problem the Wolves had this year was backcourt production, though, and you're coming back with the same crew next year (albeit with Foye healthy.)

[TrentTuckerForever]

Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -17.5 ppg, -1.0 rpg, and -2.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
5.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.6 minutes
#20 Pick in 2008 draft

Outgoing Players
Antoine Walker
6-9 PF from Kentucky
8.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.4 minutes
Rashad McCants
6-4 SG from North Carolina
14.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.2 apg in 26.9 minutes

Denver Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +17.5 ppg, +1.0 rpg, and +2.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Antoine Walker
6-9 PF from Kentucky
8.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.4 minutes
Rashad McCants
6-4 SG from North Carolina
14.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.2 apg in 26.9 minutes

Outgoing Players
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
5.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.6 minutes
#20 Pick in 2008 draft

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WHY FOR DENVER

Dealing Nene for Walker's expiring bring the Nuggets' finances into line and allows them to be more agressive in the free agent market. They could let JR Smith walk because McCants would replace much if not all of his production in the same role, and they'd have their mid-level exception available to go and get a backcourt guy to fit in alongside Anthony and Iverson (Chris Duhon or Beno Udrih, perhaps?)

WHY FOR THE WOLVES

Nene has had many ongoing health concerns, but if he's right he'd be a good complement to Jefferson on the block and he's only 25. The late pick could be spent on a project big like Hibbert, Koufos (if he stays in the draft) or my favorite, Robin Lopez:

Gomes/Snyder
Jefferson/Smith
Nene/Lopez
Mayo/Brewer
Foye/Telfair

[PeeDee]

How about this?

MIN GIVES: Rashad McCants, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner
MIN GETS: Ben Wallace, 2008 1st round pick (#19), and 2010 1st round pick (top 10 protected).

CLE GIVES: Ben Wallace, 2008 1st round pick (#19), and 2010 1st round pick (top 10 protected).
CLE GETS: Rashad McCants, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner

Why the Wolves should do it:

*They take on one more year of salary and get 2 first rounders in return for their troubles.
*They can take a center with #19 pick and have him learn defensive nuances from Wallace.
* They probably wont be able to lure any big name free agents in 2009, and IMO, the crop in 2010 is better. I also think the Wolves will be much more ready to make a push in 2010 anyway.
*They get rid of Walker who seems like he's about to become cancerous.
*Acquiring more picks allows the Wolves to counteract any pick loss to the Clippers.


Why the Cavs should do it:

*They need to desperately unload salary so they can get LBJ an allstar supporting cast. This trade would put them about 20 million under the cap next summer. If they fail to do this LeBron will likely bolt the following season.
* They add a cheap, young talent in McCants who might do very well playing beside LeBron.
*THEY MIGHT LOSE LEBRON! Seriously, does there need to be another reason to clear cap?

[TrentTuckerForever]

How about this?

MIN GIVES: Rashad McCants, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner
MIN GETS: Ben Wallace, 2008 1st round pick (#19), and 2010 1st round pick (top 10 protected).

CLE GIVES: Ben Wallace, 2008 1st round pick (#19), and 2010 1st round pick (top 10 protected).
CLE GETS: Rashad McCants, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner

Why the Wolves should do it:

*They take on one more year of salary and get 2 first rounders in return for their troubles.
*They can take a center with #19 pick and have him learn defensive nuances from Wallace.
* They probably wont be able to lure any big name free agents in 2009, and IMO, the crop in 2010 is better. I also think the Wolves will be much more ready to make a push in 2010 anyway.
*They get rid of Walker who seems like he's about to become cancerous.
*Acquiring more picks allows the Wolves to counteract any pick loss to the Clippers.


Why the Cavs should do it:

*They need to desperately unload salary so they can get LBJ an allstar supporting cast. This trade would put them about 20 million under the cap next summer. If they fail to do this LeBron will likely bolt the following season.
* They add a cheap, young talent in McCants who might do very well playing beside LeBron.
*THEY MIGHT LOSE LEBRON! Seriously, does there need to be another reason to clear cap?

I like it a lot... Wallace is far past his prime, but he's a pro who would do good things for the Wolves on (protecting Jefferson) and off (leadership) the court.

Wallace was loved by his young teammates here in Chicago... they gave him the nickname "The Body." Wallace didn't see eye to eye with management, but with the mistakes the Bulls have made in the last year + that's not much of a criticism.

[deeney0]

I'm not sure the Cavs would be very keen on that.

[C.lupus]

I like it a lot... Wallace is far past his prime, but he's a pro who would do good things for the Wolves on (protecting Jefferson) and off (leadership) the court.

Wallace was loved by his young teammates here in Chicago... they gave him the nickname "The Body." Wallace didn't see eye to eye with management, but with the mistakes the Bulls have made in the last year + that's not much of a criticism.

Weren't there issues between him and Noah? Or did I hear that wrong?

[JBoog35]

yuck. I figured maybe Ben would be better in Cleveland, but to be honest he doesn't look that much better, maybe it's just me, but I'd stay away from Shrinking Ben.

I would however target the Cavs. For some reason Nicolas Batum's stock seems to be dropping. If he falls to Cleveland, I would strike up a deal. He'd be a nice addition at SF.

[TrentTuckerForever]

^That situation was more about Noah than Wallace. Noah talked A LOT to the media about how much the team needed to come together, needed more leadership, etc. All the team's veterans resented that (which is why they voted to suspend Noah an extra game beyond the team's suspension.) I think most would agree that that kind of "leadership" from a rookie goes against the NBA's culture.

[Krapinsky]

I think the Denver pick would be easy to get. They are so far into the luxury tax that they will probably dump their pick. I could see either are 2nd + $ or maybe just Boston's future first getting it done.

[shrink]

After signing Varejao, CLE is far into the lux, and I agree that they should be looking at escaping. However, if the Cav's fans know what's going on, this isn't the direction they are going. LeBron wants more talent and CLE doesn't want him to leave. The Cavs with, simply have nothing else they'd offer in trade value to try to give LeBron his talent, seem to want to send out short deals for longer, questionable but high-performing ones.

This smells like a baby Dolan situation.

[GopherIt!]

what the hell, lets try this.

If we land Rose at 1 or 2, I'm going all out...

Trade Gomes to Phoenix for the Atlanta pick (#15ish)
and draft Robin Lopez.

Trade Shad to Cleveland for #20ish pick and draft Chris Douglas Roberts

Trade Jefferson & Foye to MIA for rights to #1/2 pick Micheal Beasley.

draft Dorsey and Walker at 31 and 33 if there

resign Cookie Monster and Bassy


PG Rose/Bassy
SG CDR/Bill Walker
SF Brewer/CDR
PF Beasley/Cookie
C R Lopez/Dorsey

CP3 and Kobe keep reminding me nightly that this is a super star league.
Wolves give up a lot but showcase two true superstars that can play both ways. The B-Easy trade proposal is obviously highly unlikely but I did say at the top that I was going all out.

Do you guys think B-Easy will be better than Big Al? If so, how much better? If you think Beasley has super star potential is giving up Foye worth something like this? Would another team consider a deal like this?

Thanks.

and yes, I know we'd have to change our nickname to the Tigercats after adding five guys from Memphis / K State. If Penn State had anybody worth drafting we could actually choose a cool nickname like the Ligers.

[delux55]

trading mccants for a mid first rounder is the worst thing this franchise could do. Well they could do worse but it would be a terrible idea. not that big of a difference in a project big from pick 19 or us picking in the second round at the top.

[shrink]

Picks from 11-20. Those that (optimistically) might be available are in bolded.

#11 Pacers: They desperately need to rebuild, but have bigger problems with giant salaries. They have to move Tinsley, and ge ta PG back.

#12 Kings: Stuck in the middle. Need the youth, but need to move salary.

#13 Blazers: Roster is full, and they are over the lux, so a guaranteed salary is not what they need. Defering salary with second rounders won't work either .. they have three, even though they traded their own. Maybe future 1sts?

#14 Warriors: Who knows? We'll see what they do with Baron, but I wouldn't put it past Nellie to completely revamp this team.

#15 Phoenix (Suns): Over the lux and miserly GM. Some are saying this is as good as gone, but Sarver placated fans by keeping this pick when he sold the other two in the Kurt Thomas for TPE lux cash deal.

#16 76ers: Unlikely, but possible, with such a great second-half run.

#17 Raptors: Let's see how their PG situation shakes out. They are hard to read because most of their fans think everyone (even Kris Humphries and Rasho) is terrific!

#18 Wizards: If they can bring back Arenas and Jamison at a reduced price, they may use it to clean up chemistry (get rid of Etan, plus). They have an additional protected pick from MEM next year from the Navarro trade, so this might make them more comfortable to trade now.

#19 Cavaliers: Besides expirings, they have nothing else they'll offer of value to get LeBron some help. They need to make LeBron happy before he's a free agent, and the big market Knicks come calling with rich advertising contracts.

#20 Nuggets: they have problems, among them being over the lux If they get eliminated from the play-offs quickly, they'll have a lot of thinking to do..

and by the way:

#21-#30 .. any of these could be available. Each of these teams has a great squad, and getting over the top is something that would be highly competitive.

[horaceworthy]

1st rounders typically don't change hands unless a player or cash is involved. Since there may not be a player we have that another team would give up a quality 1st for, the more realistic route would seem to be to buy one. That seems to happen more around the 21-30 range, mostly when teams with multiple picks.

Teams with multiple 1st rounders this year are NJ (#21), Seattle (#24) and Memphis (#28 ). All three of those teams are rebuilding, so they may be reluctant to sell off their picks. The Spurs may be an option at #26 as well, they've sold or traded 1sts for future picks in the past. I don't know who else would be willing to, but I don't think that a pick above #21 or so would be available for a package we'd offer.