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#31 + #34 + a few other pieces to move up.

Nice. #31 and #34. Do it McHale. Do it.

If we draft Mayo either Hibbert or R. Lopez will have to fall.

Ford: Hibbert #23, R. Lopez #
DX: Hibbert #23, R. Lopez #25
Draftnet: Koufos #24

If we draft Lopez, CDR or Brandon Rush could be there.

Draftnet: CDR #22, Rush #25
DX: CDR #23
Ford: CDR #27

I think you misread the article. It doesn't say they are trading "down" from 22 into the second round. It says they currently don't have a second round pick, but they are planning on trading "back" into the second round...probably by buying one from Seattle or Portland who have a ton of second round picks. Therefore, according to the article, they will end up with both a first and second round pick at the end of the day.

in that case McCants + #34 it is for Robin Lopez.

Add a little Mayo to this wrap and you got a good combo

Foye Telfair
Mayo Jaric Snyder
Brewer Gomes Walker
Jefferson Smith Madsen
RLopez Richard

Robin Lopez is not good enough to be a starter and def not worth mccants.

mccants and miami's future first to clippers for #7(brook lopez) and filler.
clips are projected to pick gordon and honestly is he that much better than mccants, will miami's pick will be enough for clippers consider trading their pick?

delux55 wrote:Robin Lopez is not good enough to be a starter and def not worth mccants.

McCants can't even start because he and Foye can't work together. If we draft Mayo, I don't think we should keep McCants at all, he would have such a small role.

The benefit of Robin Lopez is Al Jefferson, Craig Smith, and Chris Richard could play their natural PF position and Gomes would slide into the SF position where he would no longer be undersized. Even if he does come off the bench, he would make everyone slide to their natural position, so he would have a huge impact. Robin would complement Jefferson because Robin can play pretty good defense and that is an area Big Al needs to improve on.

I think you have to keep McCants...he's going to blow up this year. He's had his timeouts to learn from his mistakes...he had a solid year after the microfracture...I really think he's going to blow up in a big way this year...Unless we grab Mayo. I say we really push hard to move the 3 and maybe a Smith throw in to get the 8 and Bogut. This could give us a line up of Foye, McCants, possibly Gallinari, AJ, and Bogut. Not to mention..we could have those two 2nd';s to move down and grab a Speights or Koufos to groom and put behind Bogut.
Foye, Telfair..Jaric if he walks
McCants, Brewer, Snyder
Gomes(until Gallinari rolls around..Gallinari, Snyder
AJ, Richard
Bogut, Speights, Richard
I think that's a stout lineup.
This team is only going to grow if Foye, McCants, and AJ only continue to progress. Gomes and Brewer will be solid, and we would have a solid front line with our perimeter players coming into their prime to take the next step

A center like Robin Lopez can be found in the second round. And how would Mccants not still have a big role. He would still be the sixth man at worst and produce there. You want to trade our 6th man for a back up center that can be found later in draft without giving anything up.

Did you change the title of the thread?

Who says Foye and Shad can't work together?

If we pick Mayo, I'm all in favor of a McCants + pick for a big guy trade.

I think you have to keep McCants. His value is in the toilet right now, and can only go up. We gush about Mayo's potential, but ignore McCants. Even if you're in the "Trade McCants" camp, we should at least wait, give him 4-6 weeks with lots of playing time, and see if we can trade him for more than we can right now.

digitaldropoff wrote:I think you have to keep McCants...he's going to blow up this year. He's had his timeouts to learn from his mistakes...he had a solid year after the microfracture...I really think he's going to blow up in a big way this year...Unless we grab Mayo. I say we really push hard to move the 3 and maybe a Smith throw in to get the 8 and Bogut. This could give us a line up of Foye, McCants, possibly Gallinari, AJ, and Bogut. Not to mention..we could have those two 2nd';s to move down and grab a Speights or Koufos to groom and put behind Bogut.
Foye, Telfair..Jaric if he walks
McCants, Brewer, Snyder
Gomes(until Gallinari rolls around..Gallinari, Snyder
AJ, Richard
Bogut, Speights, Richard
I think that's a stout lineup.
This team is only going to grow if Foye, McCants, and AJ only continue to progress. Gomes and Brewer will be solid, and we would have a solid front line with our perimeter players coming into their prime to take the next step

Milwaukee would never give us Bogut and #8 for #3. Look at that trade from their perspective.

delux55 wrote:A center like Robin Lopez can be found in the second round. And how would Mccants not still have a big role. He would still be the sixth man at worst and produce there. You want to trade our 6th man for a back up center that can be found later in draft without giving anything up.

If we decided on Brook Lopez, I think we should try to grab Robin Lopez just because those guys would remain loyal. Just because they are related is not the only reason though, Robin is underrated and plays great D (something Big Al can

Good points Shrink. We probably won't get much for McCants right now. I forgot that, mainly b/c I still feel pretty good about him. So I'll change my view in this to: trade McCants if there is a quality big guy available. If not, keep McCants and let's see where he can get us. I still like a Foye/McCants starting backcourt eventhough it doesn't look that will happen right away. How nice would it be if we somehow would get Beasley? It is possible. Bulls seem to like Rose and Heat were very interested in Mayo I read. That could give us Beasley, who would be a great addition next to Big Al. And if that would happen, we just shouldn't trade McCants.

I am all for trading McCants if we draft Mayo.

McCants, Buckner and #34 for Darko and #28.

Fills our void at center and gives us a late first. Memphis gets the expiring of Buckner for Darko and can pick up Joey Dorsey with #34.

NO question ... you have to look to package McCants for a big if Mayo is the guy at #3.

I can also see us looking to make a deal for Bogut.

shrink wrote:I think you have to keep McCants. His value is in the toilet right now, and can only go up. We gush about Mayo's potential, but ignore McCants. Even if you're in the "Trade McCants" camp, we should at least wait, give him 4-6 weeks with lots of playing time, and see if we can trade him for more than we can right now.

I have to strongly disagree here. From a personality perspective, McCants has always had negative value, I don't expect that to change. From a basketball perspective, MCCants finally showed something offensively last year, shooting 41% from 3 and showing an ability to create his own offense and get into the lane. His offensive skillset at the 2 is something alot of teams covet, including teams in the late teens/20s like orlando, philadelphia, cleveland, toronto, and seattle. He also dropped his turnovers significantly as the year progressed. For him to raise his value he'd have to start, average 20 points, and improve his defense significantly (which I don't see happening.) I just don't see him getting that kind of run here, especially if we draft OJ Mayo as expected. Also the longer we wait to trade him, the closer he will be to free agency, which will keep lowering his trade value.

If, however, we somehow land beasley, keeping McCants suddenly makes more sense, because we're going to have to continually outscore the other team.

Mayo's potential as a defender and passer is where he really outshines McCants. If we're not bringing back telfair, keeping McCants as the 3rd guard makes too much sense. Telfair's on-ball defense is just as valuable as mccants' scoring. Also Jaric is going to, unforunately, get some time at guard next year. one of mccants/telfair will go, more likely telfair at this point.

The difference in quality of big men between ~the 20th pick and 31 isn't that great that I'd be willing to combine mccants and one of our 2nds.
McGee,Koufos,Hibbert,Robin Lopez, those are guys expected to go~20.
Hardin, Jawai, Pekovic, Ajinca, those are guys expected to go ~31. Not that great of a difference. But if we could trade McCants straight up to, say Orlando for 22, with Hibbert on the board, I'd do that in a second, then draft lester hudson at 31 and another C at 34. However to do that McCants would have to have more value than say CD Roberts, Brandon Rush, or Budinger, who should all be available at that pick, which I doubt he does at this point.

This draft is so deep that 31 and 34 could have as much value as 21 and 24 next year. We need to make sure we don't just give those picks away.

I really like the idea of packaging mccants and the Miami pick for a selection in the 8-12 range if Brook Lopez slides as many are now saying he might. I really want us to use that pick to get hasheem thabeet next year though.

-I wouldn't just trade McCants for the sake of trading him, but at the same time don't see his value increasing during the season.

-If we do get Mayo, McCants won't get featured significantly for a trade during the season.

-If we get Mayo it moves McCants to the bench for sure and he's only got one year left and would likely leave to try to start somewhere.

-Most of the trades happen in the offseason so I think the value is higher for McCants now than it will be during the season and if we do have Mayo, McCants is likely gone and the team should look at getting something for him rather than just lose him. That would be the worst scenario.

-While I like McCants it's becoming clear the front office and coaching staff doesn't, so that could play a role as well. He just might not be in the long term plans. Additionally moving him for another piece up front could allow for signing Snyder to a long term deal at low cost to replace him off the bench. I think they like Snyder, but right now it makes no sense to keep another SG/SF with who we have right now.

All of that said it really depends on what the package would be and who would be available to do any kind of trade with McCants.

Just so you know, there are several posters that put McCants value at zero. Zero. they say that they don't want him, he plays the game wrong, and they worry about his attitude hurting the rest of the team. He's not even "filler."

No matter how differently we feel about McCants, I think we probably all think he has more value than "zero." I would like to see McCants get plenty of minutes, and I firmly believe if he starts and plays 34 MPG, he can average 20 PPG. Maybe he gives up more, or makes key mistakes, or is a pain in the clubhouse (though I think that would diminish with those kind of minutes). Still, 20 Points seems to be a psychological boundary by which many people forget about other transgressions, on the defensive end or off the court.