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I think sometimes McHale thinks he's smarter than everyone else, and that's why he makes the moves he does. Unfortunately, he's not, thus why he fails so frequently.

I'll give him the KG trade and the Davis/Blount trade, but the Roy/Foye fiasco, and the many draft picks he's wasted when morons like me and other realgm posters are screaming for someone else at the time.

I'm not a smart man...

Unfortunate on all levels. Understanding this is just speculation, Mayo had that character about him that rendered me skeptical about his attitude about playing somewhere such as Minnesota. He removed any doubt when he came out with that interview where he mentioned playing with a rebuilding team, and helping them rise up and get noticed. I seriously hope that this is just News Fodder and that its nothing more. We should still draft him.

I hope Miami picks Beasley as I have concerns about his speed/defensive positioning translating to the game, and allows us to pick the last of the three top tier players in the draft. I wouldn't want to trade down, even if it makes sense financially.

Those 2nd round picks are essentially leftovers from the 1st round. Do Not Deal them, imo. Use them (if roster spaces are a concern) for European Bigs prospects and let them saturate in Europe for the year.

I am almost certain we will have an amazing draft if we just stay put.
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Ughh...this is what I initially feared from the beginning. I'd love Mayo, but not if he's going to pull a Steph. Maybe it would be wisest to either trade down for Gallinari, Love, or Lopez at this point, even though I hated that thought for past few weeks. I'd be all over that potential Bogut deal now.

Regarding CDR, I see no reason to draft him over a big if we keep McCants. If we trade him, then ok. I'd rather wait it out though and grab two darn good players in round 2, not one darn good one in round 1.

john2jer wrote:I'll give him the KG trade and the Davis/Blount trade, but the Roy/Foye fiasco, and the many draft picks he's wasted when morons like me and other realgm posters are screaming for someone else at the time.

I'm not a smart man...

To be fair, Foye was HYPED up the whazoo on draft night. Everyone thought he was going to be a complete stud. McHale wasn't the only one who liked him over Roy. And with the addition of the red flags that we're raised with Roy's knee concern, selecting Foye was actually the right thing to do at the time IMO, even if it may seem ridiculous now that we actually know what the real story is.

how completely unexpected, the guy who chose USC because he thought they were the best program to market him doesn't want to play in Minnesota?

I'm gonna go faint now, brb

Tor wrote:

To be fair, Foye was HYPED up the whazoo on draft night. Everyone thought he was going to be a complete stud. McHale wasn't the only one who liked him over Roy. And with the addition of the red flags that we're raised with Roy's knee concern, selecting Foye was actually the right thing to do at the time IMO, even if it may seem ridiculous now that we actually know what the real story is.

Pretty much everyone had Roy rated better than Foye on draft night. That's why the Wolves drafted Roy, they thought they could get Foye plus something for him.

Ugh, right after we got the #3 one of the posters on another board (I believe he's a player at UNC) said he had talked to Mayo and he was ok with coming to MN, but I think Mayo is just one of those guys who is trying to cultivate a good public image so he was saying the right things. He'll do his dirty work (i.e. I don't want to play for you) behind the scenes.

Supposedly, his two main criteria when picking a college were playing time and being in a large market to maximize exposure and endorsements when he goes pro, so if this is true (and this is just a rumor at the moment) it is not a big suprise.

With all that said, if the wolves think he's clearly the third best player in the draft, you take him. Yi eventually signed and so will Mayo. He won't want to be villified as a spoiled athlete by refusing to play here. However, after the Steph thing I do not think McHale will pick him. Do we start looking at trades with NY and LA? Maybe get our future #1 back from LA to switch picks? How about a #3 and McCants for #7, Thorton and our future #1?

I'd have to think the Clippers would be crazy not to give Minnesota your pick back to swap #3 for #7 to get Mayo. I really hope this happens.

john2jer wrote:I'll give him the KG trade and the Davis/Blount trade, but the Roy/Foye fiasco, and the many draft picks he's wasted when morons like me and other realgm posters are screaming for someone else at the time.

Roy was always seen as the guy who was best capable of contributing immediately. We all knew that, so why is everyone all acting surprised Roy has done better so far? Plus add to the fact that we needed someone who could play the point. There was no one else at that position who could play point. (If you say Roy, it's just like playing Larry Hughes or Jamal Crawford. True SGs are not dependable to play point full-time)

loflin3hree5ive wrote:I'd have to think the Clippers would be crazy not to give Minnesota your pick back to swap #3 for #7 to get Mayo. I really hope this happens.

I think we should do this deal.

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Roy was always seen as the guy who was best capable of contributing immediately. We all knew that, so why is everyone all acting surprised Roy has done better so far? Plus add to the fact that we needed someone who could play the point. There was no one else at that position who could play point. (If you say Roy, it's just like playing Larry Hughes or Jamal Crawford. True SGs are not dependable to play point full-time)

Randy Foye wasn't any more of a point guard coming out of college than Brandon Roy was.

jpatrick wrote:Ugh, right after we got the #3 one of the posters on another board (I believe he's a player at UNC) said he had talked to Mayo and he was ok with coming to MN, but I think Mayo is just one of those guys who is trying to cultivate a good public image so he was saying the right things. He'll do his dirty work (i.e. I don't want to play for you) behind the scenes.

Supposedly, his two main criteria when picking a college were playing time and being in a large market to maximize exposure and endorsements when he goes pro, so if this is true (and this is just a rumor at the moment) it is not a big suprise.

With all that said, if the wolves think he's clearly the third best player in the draft, you take him. Yi eventually signed and so will Mayo. He won't want to be villified as a spoiled athlete by refusing to play here. However, after the Steph thing I do not think McHale will pick him. Do we start looking at trades with NY and LA? Maybe get our future #1 back from LA to switch picks? How about a #3 and McCants for #7, Thorton and our future #1?

I would do this. I posted something similar on the trade board this week about McCants and removing the protection on the pick next year for Thornton. Reaction was all over the board, some thinking the Clips were getting ripped off some thinking the Wolves were getting ripped off, and everything in between. Anyway, I think I like your deal better for MN.

jpatrick wrote:Ugh, right after we got the #3 one of the posters on another board (I believe he's a player at UNC) said he had talked to Mayo and he was ok with coming to MN, but I think Mayo is just one of those guys who is trying to cultivate a good public image so he was saying the right things. He'll do his dirty work (i.e. I don't want to play for you) behind the scenes.

I put more value in that interview than I do in this DX report. If anything they are assuming it because of Mayo's *attitude* when in reality there might be nothing there. If there was any truth to it then I am sure other media sources would be reporting it also. Like they said, he has not scheduled a workout yet.

Tor wrote:Ughh...this is what I initially feared from the beginning. I'd love Mayo, but not if he's going to pull a Steph.

If this rumor is true, I am very concerned.

Pulling a Marbury would be bad, but if you recall, Marbury still had the trade value, even as a malcontent looking to get paid, for McHale to get an All Star PG AND a lottery pick back. Pulling a Steve Francis, who was drafted by the Vancouver Grizzlies and refused to show up, would be an even scarier. Its another deal that maintained trade value, but in both cases, a trade needed to be made sooner or later.

I've mentioned a few times that I think it would be very difficult for McHale to risk trading Mayo and have him become a superstar somewhere else. However, if Mayo is the next Marbury or Francis, that is also a huge risk. People blame McHale ten years later for going with Marbury over Ray Allen.

This rumor makes me more inclined to trade, but it does not mean that Mayo's value is any less than before, since several teams would like him. The future protected first returned is not close to the deals we could get elsewhere (see the NJN thread here for two much better offers). To make a competitive offer, LAC would probably need to include Jaric for some extra value .. part of whatever you're going to get in the Maggette trade. The popular deal from last month:

#3 + Jaric for #7 + future 1st + Tim Thomas

is now #8, and since Mayo's raised his value in the camps, that's a big value jump.

I hope this isn't true, we need some confirmation on if this is true or not, not just DX saying "hearing from several sources"


AHH!

Doubt the mayo rumor is true.

you guys sound like wishful thinkers

"NO!!! THAT'S NOT TRUE...that's imPOSSIBLE!!!"

search your feelings guys, you know it to be true

Well there was the same rumor about Lopez and it was untrue, so you never know. I think rev was right to a large degree with it being more his reputation than fact right now.

That said the only two players that really wouldn't play for the team that drafted them as I remember was Steve Francis and Kobe Bryant. I can't remember what Houston gave up for Francis, but I thought the Lakers gave up Divac and a 1st for Kobe.

I kind of like the Thorton, McCants, and returned pick trade though.

Shrink, is Tim Thomas expiring? If so that might be better, if not I hate Tim Thomas.

the Lopez rumor was by some Bumblesbee Journal out of Backwoods, Wisconsin

Draft Express is connected

Jaric has three years remaining, Tim Thomas two.

I dislike the fit of Tim Thomas here, and I suggested off-loading him to WAS for Etan Thomas (also two years) and the MEM lotto-protected pick.

I just checked with the WAS board this morning, and once Etan's sternum heals, he is expected to be ready for the pre-season. Even if he isn't, insurance would pay for his contract, and the NBA may write him off the books one year after his last game. In addition, an injury exception might be granted. The specifics behind trading an injured player would have to be investigated with the league office, but to me, that seemed like a useful move for both WAS and MIN. Etan and Haywood HATE each other, and often get into fights.