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Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -11.2 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -3.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
5.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Antoine Walker
6-9 PF from Kentucky
8.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.4 minutes
Marko Jaric
6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.2 apg in 29.3 minutes

No. Walker expires after this year.

I would do this trade if cleveland added their 1st rounder this year. (#19).

Wallace's deal is one year shorter than Jaric's (obviously much bigger), but he could be a handy expiring down the road. In the mean time, he provides us with a decent vet big next to big Al.

Wallace - #19
Jefferson - Gomes
Brewer - Gomes
Mayo - McCants
Foye - Mayo

No trying to get younger not older...

2-1 swap, i kind of like it because it saves us a few million dollars. Then we could buy him out immediately so he would resign in Cleveland or some other playoff team (no way would he want to stay here) or we can make a trade for a good player next season before the trade deadline. Jaric would be on the books for a long time, but Wallace's contract ends a lot sooner so it would be good to get him off the books.

I wouldn't do it. I'd maybe consider it with a pick from Cleveland, but right now I think we could move either player for a more useful player. Financially, we'd be delaying Walker's expiring, but accelerating Jaric's so I can see that argument, but it's just not worth it to me.

not a chance, not trading Walker's expiring for Wallace,even if we get rid of Jaric. I agree with prefuse, I'd do it with a sweetener.

prefuse73 wrote:I would do this trade if cleveland added their 1st rounder this year. (#19).

Wallace's deal is one year shorter than Jaric's (obviously much bigger), but he could be a handy expiring down the road. In the mean time, he provides us with a decent vet big next to big Al.

Wallace - #19
Jefferson - Gomes
Brewer - Gomes
Mayo - McCants
Foye - Mayo

Oh I completely agree. Although he may be on the down slide, his deal is a year shorter than Jaric's and he plays a position that we need, and we'd get a pick out of it. I'd say with #19 invloved, I would pull the trigger as well.

I looked at the deal and it makes 100% perfect sense. Walker, Jaric, and Wallace have no part in our future at all so look at this from a financial stand point.

Jaric + Walker = 30,620,500
Wallace = 28,500,000
We save: $2,120,500

Walker's contract ends after the 2008/2009 season
Jaric's contract ends after the 2010/2011 season
Wallace's contract ends after the 2009/2010 season

After 2010, we would have Wallace off the books. If we do not make the trade, Marko Jaric would still be on the books for another season. So we save over 2 million dollars and have none on these guys on the books after the 2009/2010 season. Furthermore, Ben Wallace will definitely be willing to be bought out. He is 33 and knows his career is short so he would want to play for a contender (maybe even back in Cleveland) like Howard and Ratliff. Hopefully a trade like this would make the Wolves pick OJ Mayo instead of Lopez

Walker's expiring = very good contract
Jaric's 3-year deal = somewhat bad contract ($2 mil overpaid)
Wallace's deal = very bad contract

Jaric's ability to provide useful production that is at least in the ballpark of his contract trumps Ben Wallace's deal, who isn't even close.

I pretty much agree with everyone else that the 19 should be in the deal. We use the pick on a center and Ben Wallace serves as a mentor and stop gap.

shrink wrote:Walker's expiring = very good contract
Jaric's 3-year deal = somewhat bad contract ($2 mil overpaid)
Wallace's deal = very bad contract

Jaric's ability to provide useful production that is at least in the ballpark of his contract trumps Ben Wallace's deal, who isn't even close.

I agree about this...
Walker's expiring = very good contract
Jaric's 3-year deal = somewhat bad contract ($2 mil overpaid)
Wallace's deal = very bad contract

However I think Jaric + Walker's contract = worse for Minnesota because they will cost us more, Jaric will stay on the books longer, and Ben Wallace most likely will agree to a buyout. If we can get rid of Jaric, than perhaps the Wolves will decide to draft OJ Mayo.

Anyway my response to us receiving a #19... Marko Jaric is NOT worth a #19 pick. We did the Clippers a favor by giving a first round pick for a younger Marko Jaric.

I could see the Cav's doing this deal and including the #19.

Right now, and for the next year, Ben Wallace is untradable -- $12 mil of salary that is locked up, being non-productive. The prospect they pick at #19 has trade value, but also won't be helping the team get a ring.

If CLE did this trade, they'd swap Ben Wallace for a more productive Jaric, and they would add Walker's VERY tradable deal, that could be a key component in getting an overpaid but productive star. for example, wouldn't a $9 mil expiring be appreciated by IND in a package for Jermaine O'Neal?


As for Jaric being not worth the #19, that's true. However, Walker is worth more than Ben Wallace and the #19. MIN is effectively buying a #19 pick for $15 mil, which is overpaying. (Late firsts are sometimes sold for $3 mil). Including Jaric makes the pricetag more reasonable.

just a question, i didn't follow ben wallace: why has his production dropped so dramatically?

gjn19 wrote:just a question, i didn't follow ben wallace: why has his production dropped so dramatically?

I think it might just be age catching up to him. I think that's probably why Detroit let him go. I thought at first his problems in Chicago were due to them needing a scoring big man, which Wallace would be a bad fit for. But watching the Celtics series, I think he's just declining. Still has the bulk, but the energy wasn't there.

Jaric's deal: $6,575,000 $7,100,000 $7,625,000 = 21,300,000
Walker's deal: $9,052,460

TOTAl = $30,352,460

Wallace's deal: $14,500,000 $14,000,000 = $28,500,000

Also, note: that when you calculate the NPV of the money owed, the total values for each teams contracts become even closer, so really Taylor would not be saving any money here.

Further, Taylor would have to replace Walker and Jaric with a replacement player. Assuming this player will not contribute next year and probably won't be with the team in the long run (as is the case with most FA minimum players), then this deal actually loses Taylor money.

What this trade does do is get Jaric's deal off the cap a year sooner. This of course, allows us to sign a FA in the summer of '10, or trade Wallace expiring with assets to get a more accomplished player before then- assuming one is available.

Personally, I don't think the #19 pick is enough for us to do this deal. Look if we can trade our two 2nd round picks for a pick shortly after #19, we don't need the #19 as well. Jaric will at least be useful the next two years, but I can't say the same for Ben Wallace. It also seemed like Wallace did not fit in with the younger guys in Chicago. Here he would be even more unmotivated and even less happy. I think we can all be assured that they're will be better trades where we can move Jaric in the next two years. No need to panic and take this bad deal now.

Do you think if Ben Wallace was a Wolf, he'd would be offended by the Sweetwater Brown (do I have the name right?) promos?

Madsen in a 'fro is kind of disturbing.