Love works out for Grizz
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:44 pm
http://www.canishoopus.com/2008/6/10/54 ... or-memphis
The focus, though, was on the big men, and Love asserted himself as an above-average passer, perimeter shooter, post scorer and athlete who has enough lateral quickness to avoid being a defensive liability....
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:51 pm
I just dont like the idea of not having a real center. I dont want Al playing the 5 much longer and I really dont want love suiting up against opposing NBA 5's.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:54 pm
Being that Al and Love are both 6'10 and very thick and very good rebounders and shot blockers. Then I see no problem. I think Love does have the strength and desire to body-up other centers.
Our problem last year with Al at the 5 was 2 parts
1-Al did not do well when he had to put a body on big guys rebounding (Dally and Haywood are good examples)
2-We needed another shot blocker. So one guy can go for the block and other can rebound.
This is more an issue with Gomes as the starting 4 then Al at the 5. I think Love can do a very, very good job with both of those issues. He is a very good rebounder, good at putting a body on big guys. He is an underrated shot blocker as well.
Love might be moving ahead of Lopez for me right now. Mayo is still my guy.
Our problem last year with Al at the 5 was 2 parts
1-Al did not do well when he had to put a body on big guys rebounding (Dally and Haywood are good examples)
2-We needed another shot blocker. So one guy can go for the block and other can rebound.
This is more an issue with Gomes as the starting 4 then Al at the 5. I think Love can do a very, very good job with both of those issues. He is a very good rebounder, good at putting a body on big guys. He is an underrated shot blocker as well.
Love might be moving ahead of Lopez for me right now. Mayo is still my guy.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:07 pm
dang, unguardable one on one in the Memphis workout? and didn't he workout against Joey Dorsey and Deandre Jordan?
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:08 pm
Considering I think Love will be a better player than Lopez, I'd probably rather have him. Lopez being 7 feet is nice, but his ability is not on par with Love's. If we went Love at PF and Big Al at C, I don't think it'd be devastating defensively since most teams aren't sporting a lot of big men anyway. Big Al "struggled" at C against like two guys, it's not like he was gettin killed nightly at the spot.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:15 pm
revprodeji wrote:Being that Al and Love are both 6'10 and very thick and very good rebounders and shot blockers. Then I see no problem. I think Love does have the strength and desire to body-up other centers.
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Love is 6'7.75 without shoes, so I'd call him 6'9 in shoes. Jefferson and Love might do some nasty things offensively but I still think they'd get killed defensively. Love will have the same issues guarding big centers that Al does, and neither will be able to keep up with the more athletic 4's like Bosh or KG.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:19 pm
devil..---Dorsey, McGee and Jordan
Tmo519..his individual defense (al) is average. He tries hard but is limited. I think his projection as a bad defensive center is more based on the lack of help from the other big (Gomes is a nice 3, but hardly a defensive 4) and lack of backcourt defense (Bassy had problems keeping guards out of the paint) improving those 2 areas will be things we address this offseason. Adding a body that can muscle/rebound/block (love/lopez/etc) and improving the backcourt (how about starting Brewer at the 2 and Foye at the 1?) would improve out team defense. We saw the small improvement towards the end of the year by having the more physical Foye rather than Bassy as the starting 1.
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Al/Love/Gomes/Brew/FOye is a strong, smart and could be good on defense.
Tmo519..his individual defense (al) is average. He tries hard but is limited. I think his projection as a bad defensive center is more based on the lack of help from the other big (Gomes is a nice 3, but hardly a defensive 4) and lack of backcourt defense (Bassy had problems keeping guards out of the paint) improving those 2 areas will be things we address this offseason. Adding a body that can muscle/rebound/block (love/lopez/etc) and improving the backcourt (how about starting Brewer at the 2 and Foye at the 1?) would improve out team defense. We saw the small improvement towards the end of the year by having the more physical Foye rather than Bassy as the starting 1.
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Al/Love/Gomes/Brew/FOye is a strong, smart and could be good on defense.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:33 pm
If ihad to rank in order my preferred 3 guys for our spot, it would be Mayo, Love, and Gallinari. The G-man in
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:48 pm
Ahem, KG is and always has been 6'11
Yao, Kaman, Haywood, Dalembert, Chandler, Camby, Bogut (in a sense), Amare, Duncan, Dwizzle, Bynum, Oden, Horford
Thats almost half the teams in the League. granted not every single one is a "traditional" center, still I see Love and Jefferson having trouble with most if not all of the above list.
Yao, Kaman, Haywood, Dalembert, Chandler, Camby, Bogut (in a sense), Amare, Duncan, Dwizzle, Bynum, Oden, Horford
Thats almost half the teams in the League. granted not every single one is a "traditional" center, still I see Love and Jefferson having trouble with most if not all of the above list.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:51 pm
Worm Guts wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Love is 6'7.75 without shoes, so I'd call him 6'9 in shoes. Jefferson and Love might do some nasty things offensively but I still think they'd get killed defensively. Love will have the same issues guarding big centers that Al does, and neither will be able to keep up with the more athletic 4's like Bosh or KG.
6'9.5 with shoes (dx) that will be rounded up to 6'10. The 255 and strength is what will help him guarding big centers.
Nobody in this draft, or really in the league can guard a KG or Bosh if their mind is right. The thing is Bosh is too skinny to guard Al also. So it is a match-up game. Love helps with putting another big body in the paint. He is a very good (and underated) shotblocker and an above average rebounder.
His standing reach is 8-10, only an Inch off Beasley whom you have said could play the 4 in the league. (with the same vert btw)
Love's numbers (hgt/reach/vert) are almost a mirror of Al Horford last year. I expect the vert and speed to increase as he gets more in shape and matures more (Love being a frosh, and Horford being a junior I think)
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:09 pm
[quote="4ho5ive"]Ahem, KG is and always has been 6'11
Yao, Kaman, Haywood, Dalembert, Chandler, Camby, Bogut (in a sense), Amare, Duncan, Dwizzle, Bynum, Oden, Horford]
Now how many of them have won
Yao, Kaman, Haywood, Dalembert, Chandler, Camby, Bogut (in a sense), Amare, Duncan, Dwizzle, Bynum, Oden, Horford]
Now how many of them have won
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:53 pm
HowlinTwolf wrote:4ho5ive wrote:Ahem, KG is and always has been 6'11
Yao, Kaman, Haywood, Dalembert, Chandler, Camby, Bogut (in a sense), Amare, Duncan, Dwizzle, Bynum, Oden, Horford
Now how many of them have won
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:18 pm
Thats my point.
How many teams have won titles with an unathletic 6'9 PF playing Center?
How many teams have won titles with an unathletic 6'9 PF playing Center?
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:27 pm
revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
6'9.5 with shoes (dx) that will be rounded up to 6'10. The 255 and strength is what will help him guarding big centers.
Nobody in this draft, or really in the league can guard a KG or Bosh if their mind is right. The thing is Bosh is too skinny to guard Al also. So it is a match-up game. Love helps with putting another big body in the paint. He is a very good (and underated) shotblocker and an above average rebounder.
His standing reach is 8-10, only an Inch off Beasley whom you have said could play the 4 in the league. (with the same vert btw)
Love's numbers (hgt/reach/vert) are almost a mirror of Al Horford last year. I expect the vert and speed to increase as he gets more in shape and matures more (Love being a frosh, and Horford being a junior I think)
Just because the media guide is going to round up, doesn't make Kevin Love 6'10.
I wouldn't compare him to Al Horford, everything measurable about the two guys is nearly identical, but they're two different players. Horford is more of a banger while Love is a throwback big man who has range.
Love is in my top 6 now. For some strange reason, I am worried about his knees holding up. Hopefully the weight he lost can take some stress of the knees.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:44 pm
well that's where we disagree. I don't see Love as unathletic. He's not
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:01 pm
TMo519 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That's a valid point, but to be fair, the title has been dominated by big men in the past. Duncan and Shaq owned like 7 of the titles in the last decade. Before that, Jordan ruled. Then you had guys like Hakeem, Parish, etc. before then. The only team I can remember recently who won without a 7 footer is the Pistons. Unless my memory sucks lol
Those teams had offensive players that could score in the paint when needed. We have Al Jefferson for that. What we need is a big guy that can compliment Al. The factors we need are
-Big strong body
-Shot blocking
-rebounding
-passing
-High post offense
Sounds like love.
2 6'10 guys sound good to me.
btw, according to Basketball reference Olajuwon was 6'10 (I have heard some say 6'9) Tim Duncan is 6'10 not 7'0 (olympic measurment and other sources)
So 2 6'10 guys sounds fine to me.
Love will not make us a playoff team, but he is a proper piece. We still need maturity and coaching. But he is a very good prospect as well as a good fit.
4ho5ive wrote:Thats my point.
How many teams have won titles with an unathletic 6'9 PF playing Center?
He is not unathletic. Also, he would be the robin to Al's Batman.
TheFranchise21 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Just because the media guide is going to round up, doesn't make Kevin Love 6'10.
I wouldn't compare him to Al Horford, everything measurable about the two guys is nearly identical, but they're two different players. Horford is more of a banger while Love is a throwback big man who has range.
Love is in my top 6 now. For some strange reason, I am worried about his knees holding up. Hopefully the weight he lost can take some stress of the knees.
The media guys round other guys up also. Thats my point. He would be just as much "6'10" as the other guys.
Love is a throw-back, but I think he is just as strong as Horford. The range will help him fit better with Al Jefferson. The Horford reference is because other people saw Horford as a great athletic 4/5 talent, but they see Love as a pudgy kid.
If love was not such a nice kid---would he be a top prospect? Is there some racial tension here? Why is Love considered a bust, but seems to have all the tools we would want?
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:04 pm
**once again, I would rather get Mayo and take a flyer on a big later and sign a vet big. But if Mayo does not work out I would consider Love a decent prospect.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:16 pm
MAYO, MAYO, MAYO! That being said, I don't want him on this team. Lopez IMO will be the better player down the line anyways. Brook Lopez did his thing by himself, Love had it easier on a championship caliber team. No way I want Kevin Love on the TWolves, I want a super star with the #3 pick, not someone decent.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:43 am
4ho5ive wrote:Thats my point.
How many teams have won titles with an unathletic 6'9 PF playing Center?
This is an interesting question, but not necessarily the best way to put it. Love doesn't look athletic, but didn't he surprise people with his measurables? Maybe a better way to look at it is whether you can win with a center shorter than 6' 10," and if you go back a ways, the answer may surprise you.
How many good, classic centers are there in the NBA today? There's Shaq, Yao, Dwight Howard, and possibly Oden, and then there are a few decent ones like Biedrens, Bynum, Kaman, Ilgauskus, Dalembert,and Bogut. The rest are either PF's playing out of position or guys who are past their best days.
Now, when you think of classic centers, wasn't their heyday back in the '70's? There was Kareem, Bill Walton, Bob Lanier, Wilt (late in his career), Artis Gilmore, and Moses Malone. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the centers in the 70's were better as a group than they are today. And some of them did win a championship, but the funny thing is that the teams that won the majority of the championships were ones who had a center shorter than 6'10" who was a good passer and/or shooter, great rebounder, and who had a high basketball IQ. Think Dave Cowens (2 championships), Willis Reed (2 rings), and Wes Unseld, and Bill Walton actually played more like these guys than he did like Lanier and Gilmore.
Maybe that's ancient history, but there are more cases of guys smaller than 6'10" or being "unathletic" playing important parts as the center in more recent times. Ben Wallace and Bill Laimbeer (yes, he was taller than 6'10") come to mind. Heck, Bill Russell was less than 6'10" and he almost always came out ahead against Wilt. I think it's a mistake to overlook intelligence and skill for sheer athleticism. Yes it's great to have both, but history tells us that intelligence is a common denominator for championship teams.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:17 pm
revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
6'9.5 with shoes (dx) that will be rounded up to 6'10. The 255 and strength is what will help him guarding big centers.
Nobody in this draft, or really in the league can guard a KG or Bosh if their mind is right. The thing is Bosh is too skinny to guard Al also. So it is a match-up game. Love helps with putting another big body in the paint. He is a very good (and underated) shotblocker and an above average rebounder.
Love's shoes were extra thick, in normal sized shoes he's 6'9. Not many people can guard KG or Bosh, but Love doesn't solve the problem of guarding bigger players either. He's going to have a lot of the same issues Al does.
Love might have put up similar combine numbers to Horford, but Horford is quite a bit more explosive. If you look at combine numbers from the past, you'll see that they don't mean much. Love tested faster than Corey Brewer, do you think that's legit?