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New Jersey has an excess of bigs, we have a need.
they have hassell's deal (2 yr 8.7 mil) they might want to move.
we have antoine's expiring and mccants to throw out there.

Their bigs:
Diop (UFA)
Krstic (RFA)
Swift (1 yr left @ 6.2 mil)
Boone (Rookie deal)
Williams (Rookie deal).

Swift would be our most achievable trade target.
They're also likely to draft a big with their 1st pick.

So I'll throw 2 scenarios out there:

Min Trades Walker
Receives Hassell, Swift.

Not very exciting. Hassell is cut immediately,
but at least Swift might me useful.
We eat 3.35 mil in '09 cap room
(Walker rumored to have 1 mil guaranteed in '09)

Scenario 2:
(Under this scenario we've drafted Mayo @3)
Min Trades Walker, McCants, #34
Receives Swift, Hassell, #21.

Under this scenario we use McCants to trade up for our desired big man
(Hibbert/RLopez/McGee/Koufos).

Not really exciting, I know, but It's more about exchanging excess parts.
Maybe McCants + guy drafted @ 34 will be worth more to them than a guard they'd draft @ 21, I don't know. It depends on how they view McCants. They definitely need some bench punch last year, and he'd give them that.

Isnt Swift primarily a PF?

Reject both scenarios out of hand. The idea is to become better--not to become different.

Really not feelin gettin Swift at all.

Yuck. I dont like either of these. No reason to trade an expiring for Hassell just to get Swift as a stop-gap center (and not even a very good one). Giving up McCants in the second one is even worse. I'm all for trading McCants in the right deal but this isnt it.

I'd rather try to sign the other Swift, the Robert Swift, and see if his injuries are behind him.

I think there is merit to the deal, but not as written. younggunsmn is correct that Swift is just a bench-riding expiring to the Nets, and here he'd get in a few games as a PF-C backup. However, I would be unwilling to diminish the amount of cap space we had next season just to add Swift, and reduce the trade value of Walker by turning it into a smaller expiring.

I had a slightly different idea last month that received lukewarm support on the trade boards. NJN could be very active on the trade front, and Marcus Williams is supposedly a player they are dangling to other teams. If he is dealt, I think a deal like this might work:

NJN GETS: Buckner ($4 mil) + Telfair (S&T)

MIN GETS: Swift ($6.2 mil exp) + 2009 MEM 2nd

For the Nets, they are able to replace their back-up PG with a Brooklyn native that will help draw fans when Jay-Z has them playing in the Big Apple. Previous Nets posters have said that Buckner might veen get some playing time, since perimeter defense is a need of theirs. The Nets are very sensitive to the lux, and this deal doesn't add salary.

For the Wolves, if OJ Mayo is selected, the playing time for McCants or Telfair is going to dwindle. MIN could simply choose to not re-sign the guy, in which case he'd be considered a TPE. However, this deal costs us $2-$2.5 mil for one year to turn Buckner's frozen salary into something that can give us a little court time. Swift certainly isn't a $6 mil player but is he worth $2 (6-4)? Probably. If he doesn't work out, we just got back a bigger expiring that may have more trade value, and at worst, we have not done any damage to ourselves financially in Summer of 2009 Free Agency. The 2009 2nd provides a little impetus for us, and is another replacement for the pick we owe DET next year.

You sure like you some big ugly white guys, Devilz.

Can't you at least avocate for a heartthrob like Gallinari?

Get 'em both! Robert is a Free Agent, is he not?

PeeDee wrote:You sure like you some big ugly white guys, Devilz.

Can't you at least avocate for a heartthrob like Gallinari?

I don't care about their color, but I do like em ugly. Pretty boys don't belong in the paint. If you're pretty, then you haven't been doing your job. You should look mashed up.

I don't think Mr Swift is ugly because he's tough, I'm pretty sure it's because his Mom humped Carrot Top.

And dropped him on his face. A couple times.

Swift by all accounts is a good player and athlete, its his durability holding him back.

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Swift by all accounts is a good player and athlete, its his durability holding him back.

agreed completely... i don't see why the wolves wouldn't give him a look. I think he's got a bigger upside than POB, actually...

Is swift an RFA?

According to Shamsports, Swift has a player option for the upcoming year.

Turns out I was thinking of other Grizzlies forward Hakim Warrick. I think if we had a chance, we should take a shot at Swift.

EDIT: A few "sources" are saying he is not likely to excercise the player option, does anyone think we can nab him for the MLE, or if he is even worth that?

Thanks for the feedback guys, I wasn't too hot on it myself,
but New Jersey makes sense as a trade partner with their glut of bigs.

What about the 2nd part, McCants and 34 for #21?
New Jersey has a 3.3 million trade exception that would make this work.

I'm all for signing a stopgap free agent.
2 problems with that:

1. Money - 57 million already committed after draft picks and before re-signing any restricted free agents. Taylor is losing loads of dough and I don't know how much more he'd want to take on.
2. We'll probably have to overpay a bit in terms of $ and/or years to get someone decent to come here.

Robert Swift or Diop could be interesting.

Great idea about a Telfair S&T Shrink, I think he'd be a great fit in Jersey if they weren't 2 deep at PG already. Maybe they deal Marcus Williams to move up in the draft.

I love getting memphis's 2009 2nd because it's sure to be top 35 and gives us another asset to trade up next year.

I agree if Mayo is drafted one of McCants or Telfair will go, I'm not partial to which one as long as we get value for him.

One thing that would be interesting is if we could use our expirings and future picks to make a run at a S&T of Andris Biedrins. GS is tight up against the cap and has to re-sign monta and andris. Maybe if they draft a C with their pick Biedrins becomes expendable?

younggunsmn wrote:Thanks for the feedback guys, I wasn't too hot on it myself,
but New Jersey makes sense as a trade partner with their glut of bigs.

What about the 2nd part, McCants and 34 for #21?
New Jersey has a 3.3 million trade exception that would make this work.

I would possibly be ok with McCants for the #21 (and there will be many who won't be) dependent upon who was there (our center prospect), but not with the #34 as well. McCants was, what #14 overall when selected? He is a good scorer going to a team with minimal SG depth (I think?) so I can't see adding the #34 regardless of random rumors of McCants plus our second rounders. I would be upset if we did so, not that we get our center prospect, just that we lose too much in value by my estimation.

I don't like the value either, but McCants is 1 year from restricted free agency. They can pick a pretty good guard at 21 and lock him up for 4 years to a cheap rookie deal. I don't know if McCants' talent over a CDR/Rush/Budinger type overcomes that.

So dealing McCants straight up for a pick in the 20-25 range is looking like less and less of a realistic possibility, we are probably going to have to add an asset or take a bad contract in the process.

If we draft Mayo and the Front Office is sold on one of Hibbert/Lopez/Koufos/McGee, I'd have to pull the trigger because a starting Center on a rookie deal is much more valuable than an expiring disgruntled shooting guard. Too bad we gave away our '09 2nd rounder in that stupid dupree trade.

It also gives us a little more money to re-sign Telfair.

younggunsmn wrote:I don't like the value either, but McCants is 1 year from restricted free agency. They can pick a pretty good guard at 21 and lock him up for 4 years to a cheap rookie deal. I don't know if McCants' talent over a CDR/Rush/Budinger type overcomes that.

So dealing McCants straight up for a pick in the 20-25 range is looking like less and less of a realistic possibility, we are probably going to have to add an asset or take a bad contract in the process.

If we draft Mayo and the Front Office is sold on one of Hibbert/Lopez/Koufos/McGee, I'd have to pull the trigger because a starting Center on a rookie deal is much more valuable than an expiring disgruntled shooting guard. Too bad we gave away our '09 2nd rounder in that stupid dupree trade.

It also gives us a little more money to re-sign Telfair.

Another excellent point, I just really hate overpaying. I wouldn't mind throwing on a worse contract or player to help balance, the thing is, NJN really doesn't have one we can use. Ager has 2 yrs remaining, and I am not sure if they are guaranteed (they weren't when the Mavs signed him, not sure it transfers). Then the only other non-star or prospect is Trenton Hassel. Since we traded him away not too long ago, I do not think we can re-aquire him so soon (at least per trade checker). I can't really find a bad contract then. Cash and a 2011ish 2nd are about the best we have unless we work a trade for something with the Boston 2009 1st, but then we are getting a bit more complicated.

shrink wrote:
NJN GETS: Buckner ($4 mil) + Telfair (S&T)

MIN GETS: Swift ($6.2 mil exp) + 2009 MEM 2nd

I have to say this is the first ever trade from Shrink that didn't interest me in any way. I just see us being able to do something better than this move. Plus wouldn't Telfair have to be done separately as a S&T?

younggunsmn wrote:If we draft Mayo and the Front Office is sold on one of Hibbert/Lopez/Koufos/McGee, I'd have to pull the trigger because a starting Center on a rookie deal is much more valuable than an expiring disgruntled shooting guard. Too bad we gave away our '09 2nd rounder in that stupid dupree trade.

I think with McCants with one year left should probably be moved in that scenario and hope that we can get one of the Cs you mentioned. Plus, I'd keep Telfair as well in that scenario.