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No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:14 pm
by shrink
If you are a column reader -- and I know there are at least three of you -- you know that I am not a member of the Kevin Love Fan Club. It's not that I don't see him having a long NBA career; quite the contrary. I think Love can be a serviceable forward for the next 10-12 years. But when you are taken with the fifth pick in the draft (and traded for a potential star like O.J. Mayo), you are expected to be more than a more skilled Bryant Reeves.
Statistically speaking, Love acquitted himself well in Las Vegas: In four games Love averaged 18.0 points and a league-best 13.5 rebounds. He was unquestionably one of the most skilled players on the floor and at times showcased a well-placed mean streak. But dominating Lorenzo Mata-Real is a lot different than picking apart Tim Duncan.
"You see all those pump fakes?" asked a coach of an Eastern Conference team. "He can do that against this competition. But he tries that [stuff] against Duncan or [Kevin] Garnett and it's going nowhere. At the end of the day, you have to remember he's a 6-8 guy who plays below the rim."
Here's something more disconcerting: Love is considered by some to be a major injury waiting to happen. An NBA front office source with a team who worked out Love describes him as a "train wreck" physically, pointing to his surgically repaired knee as the biggest point of concern.
Then there is the question of Love's weight. Several league sources I talked to expressed concern that Love, who dropped 15 pounds and reduced his body fat from 15-16 percent to 11-12 percent in the months leading up to the NBA draft, will put that weight back on once the regular season starts.
Stay tuned.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... gas.recap/
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:27 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
is there another Bryant Reeves, because the one I remember was on his way to being an all star center before injuries. A more-skilled Bryant Reeves would be a flat out dominating player.
Poor guy, his article sucks and he doesn't realize it.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:21 pm
by Tirion
you don't go to Sports Illustrated site to find real bball analysis, you go there to watch chicks in bikinis.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:37 pm
by collin_k41
OK this guy is really (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Why in the world would Tim Duncan or any other dominant defensive bigman ever be guarding Kevin Love??? I mean they can if they want but be prepared for 50 and 20 from Big Al.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:14 pm
by Tirion
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:27 pm
by Wingman
I don't fault the guy for aknowledging that serious questions about Love remain, but he goes from saying that Bayless has proven himself because of his summer leage play to saying that Love's play means nothing. There are still guestions about all of these guys. This guy is just sticking with the players he was pimping before the draft and ridiculing the ones he claimed he didn't like.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:04 pm
by Klomp
I'd think too that Love's play would be more impressive because the summer league is a guard-oriented league. For Love to put up those stats is impressive.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:32 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
all I know is Kevin Love is a top 3 PF in the NBA and its time people start giving him the recognition he deserves
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:54 pm
by IcemanMN
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:26 pm
by Calinks
Scoring is probably the most easily inflated stat in summer league because the competition is weak. A good guard can light the place up. Love did more than just score, he rebounded and displayed his excellent passing ability. He showed abilities that will translate to the NBA.
Yea, Love very well may get his butt handed to him the likes of Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, but how many PF's wouldn't? One of them is on our team and the rest are the elite of the PF bunch. No one is pegging Love as a dominant NBA superstar, most fans want Love to be a very good player. Someone that we can put next to Al and be effective. That's all we need.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:32 pm
by dunkonu21
bad writer wrote: It's not that I don't see him having a long NBA career; quite the contrary. I think Love can be a serviceable forward for the next 10-12 years.
really bad writer wrote:Here's something more disconcerting: Love is considered by some to be a major injury waiting to happen. An NBA front office source with a team who worked out Love describes him as a "train wreck" physically, pointing to his surgically repaired knee as the biggest point of concern.
He is contradicting himself so badly here, what a coward. At least, he has all of his bases covered...If KLOVE gets hurt he can tell everyone he knew it was coming and vice versa.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:46 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
I'd like to think I have realistic expectations of him
I just want him to:
* clean the glass (if shorties like Reggie Evans and Danny Fortson can dominate the glass, then Love can)
* play decent post defense (with his smarts and strength, this shouldn't be a too big a request either)
* hit our wings on the run with some outlets (a given)
* and make Al a better player with some smart passing (another given)
sure he could get injured, but we'll just have to hope dropping some pounds helps his knees and our NBA doctors and nutritionists can keep him living the healthy life. It's Al's team, if MN ever gets to the top, its gonna be by Al's lead first and foremost. Kevin Love has always looked like the best guy to ease the pressure off of Al with his passing and rebounding.
I hope he plays 82 games this year.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:26 pm
by dunkonu21
I want him to be one of the better shooting big men and I think that is a pretty likely thing.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:37 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
oh yea, that too
Be Mehmet Okur w/ good passing and you're worth a #3 pick all day
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:43 pm
by funkatron101
Love just keeps getting shorter and shorter.
I can't wait until I read an analyst refer to him as a 6'5" center.
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:51 pm
by Vindicater
Who cares,
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:57 pm
by aznjustice14
I'm not bashing or anything here, but these are exactly the same concerns that us bobcat fans have with Sean May. Sean May was quite dominant 2-3 years ago also in the summer league. he also did well in real NBA competition despite his smaller size. however...his weight and bad knees have cost us MUCH grief and sorrow since we could have traded essentially felton/may to get paul in that year's draft but we didnt want to trade two lottery picks for 2 spots higher... when HEALTHY...no doubt sean may and kevin love are both very talented players, love most likely better due to his better passing and slightly better range (supposedly sean may can shoot 3's also..but we just havnt had a chance to see much of it with him injured all the time). sean may averaged around 12 points and 7 rebounds a game as a BENCH player so he likely could have gotten close to 18 and 10 range as a starter since he was one of our best post offensive players and above average rebounder in my opinion
a full health sean may along with felton could maybe warrant for not trading for paul but thats going to be hard to pull off with sean may's poor eating/drinking habits. you guys pretty much have love and miller for oj mayo. i'm hoping for your sake that mayo doesnt end up being the star people project him to be (like paul) and you guys only get one decent player, miller, in return (like felton) while love is constantly facing knee/weight problems (like may)...
i dont know...in my opinion these two situations look eerily familiar mayo, miller, love vs. paul, felton, may
(just to let you know...i like kevin loves game just as i like sean may's game...i'm just telling you what we've had to go through with a player that we KNOW can be good but just can't get past his "train wreck" body)
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:06 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
I have a lot more faith in Kevin Love's dedication to his career and fitness than I do w/ Sean May though
the word is Sean May is much more interested in partying and drinking than being a top notch basketball player
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:47 pm
by aznjustice14
yea no doubt love has a better heart towards the game than may. may averaged 17 and 9.5 in his first summer league and was named MVP....you dont kno how disappointed we've been since then...his second summer league was just as good if not better. may does have a bad habit of not being able to control his partying habits though. i'm not too familiar with love's history, but apparently he's already had a knee surgery? thats the only thing that makes me worried for him the same way i was worried for may. may supposedly didnt have any knee problems from wat i remember b4 the draft...but since then has had like 2-3 knee surgeries. -_-
i just can't help noticing the similarities...sorry for all of you who may think that this is all a bunch of bs from a troll or w/e...but i'm just expressing my honest views
similarities:
6'9 PF
overweight with knee issues
ranged shooter
good array of moves in the post
above average passers (in love's case a great passer)
strength/width to box out and get rebounds over taller players
lack of athleticism and therefore not good guarding fast PFs
great summer league debuts
this describes both love and may....the only difference is that you guys gotta hope love can somehow keep the same thing happening to him that happened to may. it won't help if he MAINTAINS his weight...he's definitely gotta cut more down. may was maintaining his weight for a while and even got slimmer the first time he came back i think...but its his chubby body composition that puts extra stress on his knees..unless love can cuz down another 10-15 pounds or more and keep it like that...he's at a great risk to get chronic knee injuries
Re: No Love for Love at SI.com
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:54 pm
by DG4L
Very interesting takes from that EC coach. I can't say I disagree. I don't think Love will be all that spectacular either but his comments about Love not being able to do well against real NBA PF's are certainly concerning.
My fears about Love might be coming true.