At the Trade Deadline

ChazzleDazzle · Post #1 » by **ChazzleDazzle** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:42 am

What do y'all think about:

Rashad McCants (expiring)
Jason Collins (expiring)
Brian Cardinal (I know...)
and one of our next year's #1's and a conditional future #1.

for

Joe Johnson and Solomon Jones

Am I drunk to think that Atlanta thinks about that if they're out of the playoff picture at the deadline?

Joe Johnson would, I think, fit this team extremely well.

Next Year
1 - Foye/Telfair/Anyone
2 - Johnson/Brewer/Rookie
3 - Miller/Brewer/Gomes
4 - Love/Smith/Gomes
5 - Jefferson/Rookie/Madsen

I love that idea...

Just sayin.

digitaldropoff · Post #2 » by **digitaldropoff** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:49 am

I'm a fan of Joe Johnson, don't get me wrong, but I just happen to like our mix of two guards as we have it now. Brewer, Rashad, Miller can all do certain things really well to make a nice rotation at any given time for us. And two of the three I mention can score about as well as Johnson....so I just don't really see the point of getting him. I think he would only be a slight upgrade...even though he is in a higher level of talent than most. I just think this group has great chemistry as is....and if we go after someone at the deadline...I would much rather it be a legit big man so we could run a big man rotation of Love, AJ, and Player X....whoever we could grab...though I doubt there will be any real nice defensive bigs available that will mesh with this team. Like I said though...I like this team and the apparent chemestry...if we make a move...I'd want it to be for a big, but only shipping out one of our firsts and Cardinal....with a throw in of Smith or Ollie considering what we could grab for that. I don't want to disrupt the core of Foye, Telly, Brewer, McCants, Miller, Love, AJ,and Gomes.

4ho5ive · Post #3 » by **4ho5ive** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:55 am

Not gonna happen. Miller would likely have to be involved. They would probably ask for one of Love/Foye/Brew also.

Mike Miller, Corey Brewer, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins and a pick or 2 for Speedy Claxton and Joe Johnson

Or Take out Cardinal and Claxton and do 3 for 1 is the closest we would get and even then i dont think they would do it, and it may be too pricey for us.

Post #4 » by **TheFranchise21** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:55 am

Joe Johnson is a second-tier superstar, I think we'd have to have someone with a bigger expiring than McCants and Collins to entice the Hawks.

prefuse73 · Post #5 » by **prefuse73** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:17 pm

if we make any moves during the season, it has to be moving smith and a pick (perhaps collins depending on the salary) for an athletic Center. I really think that Smith would work well in Chicago (if the decide not to go for Randolph) and maybe we can make a deal for Noah.

Our goals should be to get an Al/Love/???? rotation at C and PF with Gomes and perhaps Harrison (if we sign him back once we clear a roster spot) fill in with spot duty. Thabeet would look really nice there, but I just have a feeling we won't get low enough in the draft to select him unless Miami keeps it up

Post #6 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:22 pm

Al Jefferson for Joe Johnson

Post #7 » by **Basti** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:33 pm

^ are you serious?

@ prefuse: well I'd gladly do that deal but I doubt Chicago will. they would be short upfront if they trade Noah. they would be in a similar situation like we are now - having a glut of power forwards while only having two true 7 footer (Noah and Gray) even if our 7 footers are worse than theirs

Post #8 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:37 pm

the_incredible_basti wrote:^ are you serious?

Kind of. I think Love can do most of the things Jefferson can do. He'll never be quite the scorer Al is in the post, but he's a better passer and better shooter. At this point I don't think Al and Love will work together defensively and if we can get an elite wing player for Al, we should consider it.

Mattya · Post #9 » by **Mattya** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:05 pm

I completely disagree

First off, I think Kevin Love and and Al Jefferson will play decent defense, never anything they are gonna get recognition about but it will be enough to help us get wins. When Kevin Love and Al were in the game together, they played a lot better defense then when it was Gomes and Al.

and it would take more than Joe Johnson for me to trade Big Al

Post #10 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:29 pm

Johnson has the worse contract. he is also older and a wing does not have the value of a young big. al jefferson should not be moved. Love is very good, but is a compliment to him.

Post #11 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:41 pm

Johnson would would replace Jefferson's scoring and take some the ball handling duties from Foye. I understand concerns about age and contract but I think you could trade Miller for a defensive center (let's say Diop) and have a lineup of Foye, Johnson, Brewer, Love and Diop. We're probably losing out on the talent end of both of those deals but in the end we've got a lineup that's more athletic, better defensively, and in general fits together well. We'd still have a bench with McCants, Gomes, Smith, and Telfair.
I'm not sure if I'd have the balls to do it, but think it could be interesting.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #12 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:08 pm

Joe Johnson is overpaid. One good series against Boston is the highlight of his career so far. ATL got hot for a couple weeks, but overall that team sucked. If Bibby/Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Josh Childress/Al Horford/Pachulia/and Marvin Williams is only a 37 win team, then what chance do we have, because that team is better than Foye/JJ/Brewer/Miller/Love/McCants/Gomes/Smith

Post #13 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:32 pm

Two years ago, Joe Johnson averaged 25 ppg. Last year, he averaged 22 ppg and 6 apg. He's put up legitimate numbers.
I don't like how undersized we are up front, and I think we eventually have to chose between Love and Jefferson.

Winter Wonder · Post #14 » by **Winter Wonder** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:37 pm

If you are looking to trade Jefferson or Love, it is for a true center, not a wing.

I doubt we would get fair value looking to trade Jefferson for a center. Love plus ? could possibly get you a center of value, though most here wouldn't do that. It would have to be a heck of a deal to make me pull the trigger.

As for the original, Joe Johnson is under-rated in my opinion. The original deal isn't enough for him. I am not sure on the fit as well, not without more trades to re-arrange pieces.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #15 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:39 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Two years ago, Joe Johnson averaged 25 ppg. Last year, he averaged 22 ppg and 6 apg. He's put up legitimate numbers.
I don't like how undersized we are up front, and I think we eventually have to chose between Love and Jefferson.

maybe, but I want to see Jefferson/Love go full-time in the frontcourt for at least a season. I don't expect them to be amazing defensively, but I think they can be decent, and really good offensively.

I think they can be better than Okur/Boozer on both ends of the court, and I like that duo as a legit frontcourt.

Post #16 » by **Calinks** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:53 pm

You don't trade a good bigman for a good guard. Especially when that guard is almost 30 and your bigman is only 23.

ChazzleDazzle · Post #17 » by **ChazzleDazzle** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:30 pm

27 is not "almost 30". Johnson is still pretty young, has pretty good size and is a great all around scoring threat who can also share some distribution duties.

That said, I wouldn't trade Jefferson for him, or Love for that matter. I agree, the suggested offer may be too low, but I was looking at it from a "if they're going nowhere this year, 2 young players and 2 #1's might help them reload" POV...

Post #18 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:42 pm

Winter Wonder wrote:If you are looking to trade Jefferson or Love, it is for a true center, not a wing.

.

I disagree. If you get a premier wing for Jefferson, you can trade Miller for a solid center. Like you said, there's not fair value with Jefferson for a center. I'm not going to trade Love because feel like he's got a shot to be a 20 10 guy who can pass. The entire reason I'd be willing to trade Jefferson is because I feel good about Love (I'm not sure I feel that good about him yet, I'm just throwing this out there). There's an issue in that Johnson is in is his prime right now and it's going to take Love 2-3 years to before there's a chance he's as good as Jefferson, so the timing is probably off. I also might be overrating Johnson, devils brought up some good points about his team always sucking. I don't know.

shrink · Post #19 » by **shrink** » Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:10 pm

I admire Joe Johnson's ability, but SG is not where this team needs to invest.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #20 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Sat Nov 1, 2008 6:01 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I don't like how undersized we are up front, and I think we eventually have to chose between Love and Jefferson.

Fun little debate... I don't think a Love/Jefferson full-time frontcourt is really that undersized. Is Detroit undersized (Wallace/Wallace went 6'10" and 6'7", and Wallace/McDyess was 6'10"/6'9")? How about the Nuggets or (as Devilz pointed out) the Jazz? And that's leaving out all the teams that play uptempo and so are undersized by choice.

I'm with shrink... love Johnson, but not at the cost of Jefferson. Jefferson is as close to untouchable as any Wolf can be. It would take a 1st team all-NBAer for the Wolves to move him, IMO.