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Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 1:06 am
by cpfsf
3rd worst record in the NBA
4 game losing streak
Worse record than NYK, NJ, Miami, Memphis, and OKC
So my question is who is to blame?
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 1:21 am
by hijacktheparade
Wittman will win (lose?) this poll overwhelmingly.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 2:34 am
by Krapinsky
voted = lack of trust and defense
But what I really think this comes down to is just a lack of leadership. All our vets are bench players or new (Miller). Big Al needs to step it up in this department.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 3:02 am
by C.lupus
It's a combination of things. Lack of trust is huge, as is defense. But why is there a lack of trust and why aren't these players playing at least decent defense? It falls on the coach to get his players to play. They just aren't playing as a team and that has to fall squarely on the coach's shoulders.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 5:42 am
by Ojmayo
Mchale hands down...
We're 1-5 now. Oj Mayo and Memphis are 3-3.
Mike Miller? Who the hell needs him.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 6:03 pm
by cpfsf
I think the trades killed us, I felt by drafting Love we decided Jefferson would be the center forever and we would be a team without defense (another thing Chalmers could do well). I'm not saying Love is bad, I just think OJ Mayo was a better fit, but I could be wrong in the future. Personally I rather would have seen Chalmers-Foye/Mayo/Brewer/Gomes/Jefferson this year but I could be wrong in the future (I actually didn't realize Chalmers could be so good already).
Wittman has a roster full of offensive weapons who can't play defense and no leader at the point guard position. Honestly I can't think Wittman can do to much, he is trying different combos, but I think it will never work. This is something that was known when we traded/drafted for these guys so I won't blame them because we knew ahead of time.
***Vote McHale 2008***
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 7:15 pm
by lewdog
Who hired Wittman?
Who passed on Gay and Granger?
Who drafted Brewer?
Who traded away Chalmers, Mayo and Roy?
He's the gift that keeps on giving! Who needs Christmas when we have McHale.
McHale "08 and Beyond!!!!!!!!!
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 7:18 pm
by miltk
Just take a look at Wittman's W/L career. He shouldn't even be coaching at the pro level.
,,,and mayo is capable of putting up numbers but he has NEVER been a winner.
,,,and everybody passed up on Chalmers.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Sun Nov 9, 2008 8:58 pm
by Krapinsky
miltk wrote:Just take a look at Wittman's W/L career. He shouldn't even be coaching at the pro level.
,,,and mayo is capable of putting up numbers but he has NEVER been a winner.
,,,and everybody passed up on Chalmers.
You're saying that based on one year in college? I believe his high school team won the state championship.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:02 am
by cool_guy
It is right. Wittman should be coach for D-League. He is by no means is a coach for any NBA. He has never been. He was coach for 3 days in Cleveland. Thats about it.
The whole organization is responsible for the mess starting from Glen T, Kevin M, coaches, players etc.
Do you see any improvements? I see same TW last season. Write it down, we won't have better season than last season.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:55 am
by _AIJ_
its wittbrick.
we're top 10 in scoring with 99.2
top 5 in less turnovers with 11.5
top 3 in assists with 23.8
top 6 in FT% with 81%
top 8 in FG made with 37.3
yes its wittbrick
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:20 am
by cool_guy
Top 5 in losing I may add. I think thats your point. This is because of witterman.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:34 am
by Basti
ALICEinJAM wrote:its wittbrick.
we're top 10 in scoring with 99.2
top 5 in less turnovers with 11.5
top 3 in assists with 23.8
top 6 in FT% with 81%
top 8 in FG made with 37.3
yes its wittbrick
geez if we score 99 points per game and have a 1-5 record I don't want to know how many points we're giving up each game...
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:42 am
by casey
ALICEinJAM wrote:its wittbrick.
we're top 10 in scoring with 99.2
top 5 in less turnovers with 11.5
top 3 in assists with 23.8
top 6 in FT% with 81%
top 8 in FG made with 37.3
yes its wittbrick
So how do you explain the losing, just bad luck?
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:58 am
by _AIJ_
wittbrick should be put in flames
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:09 am
by Ojmayo
the_incredible_basti wrote:ALICEinJAM wrote:its wittbrick.
we're top 10 in scoring with 99.2
top 5 in less turnovers with 11.5
top 3 in assists with 23.8
top 6 in FT% with 81%
top 8 in FG made with 37.3
yes its wittbrick
geez if we score 99 points per game and have a 1-5 record I don't want to know how many points we're giving up each game...
104.3
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:32 am
by Basti
^ wow it is not THAT bad. I expected something around 110 points
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:35 am
by Ojmayo
the_incredible_basti wrote:^ wow it is not THAT bad. I expected something around 110 points
If we some how extinct the existing Wittman and Mchale, it would lower.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:56 am
by karch34
It's a bit of everything.
Wittman has no track record of success and the team has never shown an ability to play defense. The lineups he uses seem like he's trying to throw everything against the wall and hope he gets lucky.
I like drafting Love, but agree that while he's a good compliment to Al offensively, defensively Al at C with Love, Gomes, or Smith at PF is brutal. We have a PG in Telfair who can pass, but not score. We have a scoring PG in Foye who can't run a team and is having trouble scoring. Neither is the leader we need. Mike Miller has been decent, but he's more of a shooter than the true back court scorer we need to compliment Al. (Meaning he's much more Dan Majerle than Reggie Miller/Ray Allen). I could go on and on, but essentially we have a bunch of pieces that don't fit well together for the most part. We have a #1 surrounded by #3/#4 types at best.
Re: Who's to blame
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:51 am
by _AIJ_
why did we even hire wittbrick as the coach? Dwayne Casey was not so bad as a coach when he was here.