Clips/Cavs/Wolves-Kaman/Miller/Love

[andyhop]

Cleveland Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Craig Smith
Mike Miller
Cuttino Mobley

Outgoing Players
Sasha Kaun
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Wally Szczerbiak
09 1st

Why for the Cavs

They trade Crap and a late first for Miller and bench players in Mobley and Smith.Everyone expires by 2010 when they want to resign LeBron and bring in FA's ,so they lose nothing as long as they will pay the tax next year.

Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Sasha Kaun
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Chris Kaman
1st returned from Clippers

Outgoing Players
Craig Smith
Kevin Love
Mike Miller

Why for the Wolves

We balance out our roster better getting a Center to replace Love who hasn't shown much sign that he is going to be able to play with Al defensively.Pavlovic is unguaranteed next year according to Shamsports and Kaun is in Russia and may or may not ever become good enough to play in the NBA ,but he is tall blocked shots in college and we don't have to pay him for the next few years so what the heck.We also get our pick back. It also saves us $5m next year making shrink happy.

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Wally Szczerbiak
Kevin Love
Cavs 09 1st


Outgoing Players
Cuttino Mobley
Chris Kaman
Return Wolves 1st

Why for the Clippers.

They get the offense of Love to play with Camby,save lots of money next year for a FA and pick up a 1st that they will get next year instead of waiting until the Wolves are good enough to ship their pick.

[Winter Wonder]

From MN view, I do think they pay too much for Kaman. Now, we haven't had the best start, but Smith has value as a post scorer on a decent contract, Miller is the vet shooter most teams crave, and Love is a rookie workhorse. That is alot to pay for Kaman, who is a decent center, but onlyhad one good full year and a return on a pick that doesn't look to be paid out anytime soon and I don't think Kaun or Pavs make up the difference.

Clips probably feel they don't get enough for Kaman with Love and a probably later first (if they were to ever get the wolves first, it would probably be a better pick than the Cavs over the next few years) plus essentially an expiring who can shoot some and play little D.

Cavs probably love it. They get a huge return on their expiring in the form of the vet shooter they want and some additionaly inside scoring and beef as well as Mobley who is a decent SG at this time. By no means is Mobley spectacular, but he definitely doesn't hurt the depth and his contract runs out at the right time as well for Cleveland, I believe.

Overall, I think there is some potential here but Cleveland really has to ante up more or parts have to be shifted because it is way too sweet for them and too harsh on MN and especially the Clips.

[deeney0]

Far too much to give up for Kaman. Kaman for Miller is even imo, and I wouldn't add anything to it. Love is worth way more than Kaun, Pavlovic, and the 1st returned, not even considering Craigers.

[mandurugo]

I'm not sure about the trade, but I do think that some of you are putting too much value on Craig Smith. I suspect most teams wouldn't consider him to add value to a trade, he is a pretty limited player. His role in a trade is to help balance the books.

[shrink]

This is an interesting deal. In broad terms, I think a deal has potential when players go to new situations that enhance their value, and if enough extra value is added to outweigh the costs of sending them (fans like their own guys already), then you've got the chance at a good trade. In this one, Mike Miller is worth more to CLE than he is to us, LAC apparently wants to move Kaman (for ZACH? no less!), and he'd be a nice fit for our slower pace, and Love may be more loved in LAC with his youth and his college connections bringing in fans.

The problem for me is my personal valuation. I'm probably biased now though, since all the Zach/Kaman rumors I've seen have all been like:

NYK GIVES: Zach + prospect
LAC GIVES: Kaman + Mobely/Tim Thomas bad, two-year deal

To me, the CLE and LAC deals look too rich.

Incidentally, its funny you mention the rights to Sasha Kaun, since I was looking at him last night. The most recent CLE offer for Miller is:

Wally + Darnell Jackson + rights to Sasha Kaun + 1st for Mike Miller + Brian Cardinal

Which I'd do.

Maybe I'd try a version of this deal, where CLE gets Miller + Cardinal, Wally + Tim Thomas goes to NYK for Zach plus, .. that goes to LAC, and we end up with Kaman. I'd prefer to keep Love, and maybe this is a way to do it, but I don't argue with your assessment. I like where this trade is going.

[karch34]

Miller and Love is too much for Kaman.

[revprodeji]

I will repeat---too much for caveman.

[andyhop]

My counter argument to those who think we give up too much is that whilst we lose on the talent side of the deal ,we win on the team side of the argument to more than make up the difference.Being able to put out a line up with people playing in the correct roles and having a balance of offense and defence is worth it for me.

[Krapinsky]

This is essentially Mchale admitting 9 games into the season that he screwed up the Oj Mayo deal big time.

[TrentTuckerForever]

Not a terrible deal, but I'd pass too. I think the Wolves can get Kaman without giving up Miller or Love - just by playing the "3rd team" with their expirings and young talent to facilitate a deal between the Clips and Knicks.

[andyhop]

Not a terrible deal, but I'd pass too. I think the Wolves can get Kaman without giving up Miller or Love - just by playing the "3rd team" with their expirings and young talent to facilitate a deal between the Clips and Knicks.

I don't think our young "talent" outside of Love has much value after not showing any real improvement from last year.Their isn't exactly a big line queuing up for Foye,Brewer,McCants etc. outside McHales door as far as I can see.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Clippers get salary relief, Kevin Love, and a 1st rounder? Kaman isn't that good. Love has played better defense this year than Kaman has. I'm fine with a Collins/Love/Jefferson menage a trois for now.

Wolves aren't going to be turned around by giving up Miller and Love for Kaman. Their problem is that they're in need of more weapons, they need a badass slasher and some better team defense.

Hold tight and see if a great trade falls into their laps via expirings, or else stick it out until the draft next year. No reason for a team this young to start freaking out though. Jefferson/Love prime is still 5-7 years away still.

[Tekkenlaw]

I like Hasheem Thabeet's contract better than Kaman's. Thabeet would probably be a better fit on the team as well.

[revprodeji]

So would Pekovic...