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UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:40 am
by shrink
I read this post from loserX, which is the best delineation of the pick I've seen. I thought someone here might find it useful.

loserX wrote:Isn't it obvious? ;)

Basically, the Jazz traded a pick to Philadelphia. That pick is top-22 protected in 2009, and so on. (That pick has also since been traded to Minnesota.)
New York previously owed a pick Utah. That pick was also top-22 protected in 2009, by New York, unprotected in 2010.

In 2009:
1) If Utah's pick is 23rd or later, and New York's is 23rd or later:
Minnesota gets the better pick, Utah keeps the worse pick, New York gets nothing.
2) If Utah's pick is 23rd or later, and New York's is top-22:
Minnesota gets Utah's pick, Utah gets nothing, New York keeps New York's pick.
3) If Utah's pick is top-22 (regardless of where New York's pick is, from the way it's worded):
Minnesota gets nothing, Utah keeps Utah's pick, New York keeps New York's pick.

In 2010:
1*) In case 1 above, all debts are already satisfied. Utah keeps Utah's 2010 pick, New York keeps New York's 2010 pick.
2*) In case 2 above, Utah's debt to Minnesota is already satisfied. Utah keeps Utah's 2010 pick, Utah gets New York's 2010 pick.
3*) In case 3 above:
---3A) If Utah's pick is 16th or later, Minnesota gets the worse 2010 pick, Utah gets the better 2010 pick.
---3B) If Utah's pick is top-15, Minnesota gets nothing, Utah keeps Utah's 2010 pick, Utah gets New York's 2010 pick.

In any case where Minnesota has not received a pick by 2010, the protections for 2011 and after are delineated. Minnesota gets the pick if it falls outside the protected zone in any of the years from 2011 through 2013...if it never does, Utah keeps them all and INSTEAD sends a 2nd round draft pick, and cash.


top 17 protected in 2011
top 16 protected in 2012
top 16 protected in 2013

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:53 am
by Klomp
Now in English please? lol

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:18 am
by loserX
Heh.

Shrink told me this would be posted here...I drew up that chart with the intention of being general. It may actually be easier to interpret from the point of view of a single team.

What this means for Minnesota

2009

- if New York and Utah are BOTH top-8 teams, Minnesota gets the better draft pick of the two.
- if ONLY Utah is a top-8 team, Minnesota gets Utah's pick.
- All other cases, Minnesota gets nothing.

2010

- if Minnesota got a pick in 2009 through either of the first two scenarios, obviously it's case closed.
- if Minnesota did not get a pick in 2009:
--- if Utah is a top-15 team, Minnesota gets the worse draft pick of New York and Utah's.

--- otherwise Minnesota gets nothing.

2011

- if Minnesota hasn't gotten a pick already, they get Utah's pick if Utah is a top-13 team. Otherwise nothing.

2012

- if Minnesota hasn't gotten a pick already, they get Utah's pick if Utah is a top-14 team. Otherwise nothing.

2013

- if Minnesota hasn't gotten a pick already, they get Utah's pick if Utah is a top-14 team. Otherwise they get Utah's 2014 2nd rounder and cash.

So every circumstance in which Minnesota could receive a pick is coloured in blue. Every circumstance in which Minnesota receives nothing remains in black.

Hope that is at least a little clearer :D

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:57 pm
by shrink
Hey loserX, how about we trade UTA the pick for Deron Williams, just to clear things up?

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:11 pm
by john2jer
shrink wrote:Hey loserX, how about we trade UTA the pick for Deron Williams, just to clear things up?


I think we already know what Deron's ceiling is going to be. That draft pick could turn out to be ANYONE with an infinite level of talent possible. I think Utah should have to throw in a 2nd rounder and cash.

Deron Williams + 2nd round pick + cash considerations for their 1st round pick back.

Seems fair to me. ;-)

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:12 pm
by loserX
You guys said "Deron", but I'm sure you meant "Jarron". Pretty easy mistake...no harm, no foul. Consider it done.

(Yes, it's a terrible trade...but at least you don't have to try to fight through posts like the above any more. Isn't that alone worth it? ;) )

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:45 pm
by deeney0
I always figure the Collins can do some sort of Wonder Twins transformation to become a solid basketball player.

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:16 pm
by shrink
deeney0 wrote:I always figure the Collins can do some sort of Wonder Twins transformation to become a solid basketball player.


"Form of ... a sloth!"

"Shape of .. a damp dishrag!"

Re: UTA Pick Specifics

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:34 pm
by loserX
As I've said before, I think if you have both Collinses the best thing to do is try and swap them out with each other to fool the refs, pro wrestling style.

"I thought I fouled you out 10 minutes ago."
"Not me, ref!"