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Wolves
In- Williams, Law, Claxton
Out- Miller, Smith, Telfair

Foye/Law/Ollie -- Claxton
Williams(Carney)/McCants -- Brewer
Gomes(Williams)/Carney
Love/Cardinal/Madsen
Jefferson/Collins/Booth

Williams wouldn't be starting full time at sg. If the opposing team has a small sg Carney would have to step in. McHale seems to have given up on Telfair. Ollie can continue to get minutes while he teaches Foye and Law how to be pgs. Or maybe Law would get a ton of minutes playing along side Foye. If the Wolves can get a defensive big and a quick sg from the draft they will be in good shape.

Foye/Law/Claxton
Brewer/rookie sg
Williams/Gomes
Love/rookie or free agent pf/Cardinal
Jefferson/rookie c/Madsen

Hawks
In- Miller, Smith, Telfair
Out- Williams, Law, Claxton

Bibby/Telfair
Johnson/Murray/West
Evans/Miller/Gardner
Smith/Smith/Jones/Hunter
Horford/Zaza/Morris

The Hawks get a more proven player to back up Bibby. They could start either Evans or Miller. I am guessing they would start Evans because he is the better defender. Craig Smith would be a nice contrast to the starting Josh Smith. I would love to see this team play the Celtics in the playoffs.

I'm pretty sure I would do this deal in a heart beat, but I don't see Atlanta doing it.

Williams has got to have more value than Miller. A lot younger, more potential, of course there's that whole looming free agency that sucks, so we'd need a guarantee that he re-signs.

I think Williams would be perfect for this club. He seems kind of like a younger Gomes with more talent, potential and more dynamic.

john2jer wrote:I'm pretty sure I would do this deal in a heart beat, but I don't see Atlanta doing it.

Williams has got to have more value than Miller. A lot younger, more potential, of course there's that whole looming free agency that sucks, so we'd need a guarantee that he re-signs.

I think Williams would be perfect for this club. He seems kind of like a younger Gomes with more talent, potential and more dynamic.

Couldn't the Wolves just match any other offers he gets? I thought that the difference between Williams and Miller's value would be countered by Smith/Telfair for Law/Claxton. Would adding one of the late 1sts help?

Just dump some money and give Marvin a huge contract this summer, Atlanta probably won't match.

Jefferson, Williams, Miller, 2009 # 1, Love, Brewer is a nice looking core... trade everyone and everything else for a decent PG.

I know Law hasn't exactly lit the world on fire down there, but I'd assume he's still a "prospect" and Claxton's seen as a wiley veteran, or something. Telfair is what he is, and really after he's done with the Wolves, his opportunites might have dried up.

I could be completely wrong, I just know I'd jump at that deal pretty quickly if I knew we'd be able to re-sign Marvin Williams. I think he'd look great in a Wolves jersey. He's probably my top choice of the realistic targets. Throw in a center like Thabeet and we're set in our front court for years. Thabeet, Jefferson, Love, Williams, and Gomes are an excellent rotation at the 3-5 spots. Really the only combination of those 5 that wouldn't work at least short term would be Thabeet/Jefferson/Love. I'd even like Law as a back up point guard.

Ok I just did some researching, and I'm off a bit on my value of these guys. Claxton hasn't played in a year and a half due to needing micr-fracture surgery. At 30 years old and a guard who relied on his quickness, his career is pretty much over. Acie Law has been given inconsistent minutes this year and produced inconsistent play. The one game he got real minutes(23) he produced a monster game of 20pts 7 assist and 7 rebounds.

So maybe this trade is closer than I thought. I'd still do it just as fast, though. Ideally there wouldn't be any minutes for Smith in our line-up if we had a legit center and Love comes along the way we hope. Williams' age just fits better, and with cutting MM's contract now, we could bring in a free agent this off-season to combine with Jefferson, Williams, and Foye. Maybe Josh Childress?

I like the deal for us if we are guaranteed that Williams resigns reasonably with us much like Al did when he came over from Boston. I could see Atlanta doing it so that they get something in return for Williams.

john2jer wrote:Ok I just did some researching, and I'm off a bit on my value of these guys. Claxton hasn't played in a year and a half due to needing micr-fracture surgery. At 30 years old and a guard who relied on his quickness, his career is pretty much over. Acie Law has been given inconsistent minutes this year and produced inconsistent play. The one game he got real minutes(23) he produced a monster game of 20pts 7 assist and 7 rebounds.

Now that I think about it.. maybe the Hawks don't have to pay Claxton's full salary because he can't play (like the Blazers with Miles). If that is the case then getting rid of Claxton wouldn't be a big deal for them.

Williams is a goal of mine this summer. I think he would help a ton. I would offer atlanta a package now with the idea that we will offer him big money this summer.

btw, Williams would be a 3 not a 2. But it would be a long nice wing group with Brewer and Him.

The thought on the Atlanta boards is that he could be had for 50mil/5 years. That seems to be rather cheap, but if possible, the Wolves should jump on it because it leaves us 14-16mil to sign someone in 2010. Is that max dollars? Isn't there talk the salary cap might stay the same, or even come down a little if the economy continues to suck?

The big deal about the 2010 offseason is that LeBron, DWade, Melo, and company all have player options. What are the chances any of them don't opt out? Obviously they risk injury and losing out on another big payday is there.

revprodeji wrote:Williams is a goal of mine this summer. I think he would help a ton. I would offer atlanta a package now with the idea that we will offer him big money this summer.

btw, Williams would be a 3 not a 2. But it would be a long nice wing group with Brewer and Him.

He can play some 2. But yeah most his minutes would be at sf. I just didn't want to have Carney starting and have someone call me bananas (for some reason I hate "bananas" not the fruit but the slang term) like the last time I did.

Maybe this would be too far out there, but what if we kept miller and sent them:
Mccants
Smith
Telfair
Cardinal's contract
+ late pic

for the same players. they still benefit, and we get much better.

The goal should be to dump Cardinal and some other assets for an expiring and then offer Marvin a max deal this summer.

Face it, we need to overpay to get people here and Atlanta is not going to trade any key peices as they look like they're making a strong push toward the playoffs.

Marv is very young and very talented, no he's not putting up MAX deal type numbers, but I'd be willing to take the gamble on his talent.

bman wrote:Maybe this would be too far out there, but what if we kept miller and sent them:
Mccants
Smith
Telfair
Cardinal's contract
+ late pic

for the same players. they still benefit, and we get much better.

McCants plays the same position as their best player and does them no good in the future. Smith/Telfair they could use. No clue why they'd want to pay Cardinal ~7mil to wear a suit everyday. Late pick doesn't help them any as they're already young and looking for that piece to push them over the hump. They'd rather take their chances signing Williams. That's why Miller would be needed in a trade.

But as rev said, I think Marvin Williams has to be our #1 target for 2009. His contract, position, talent, and potential/age fit perfect with the rest of our team. Plus he's been through a grueling play-off series matching up against Paul Pierce. No one else on our team can say anything close to that. Well, Madsen...

Ollie and Collins have been in their fair share of play-off battles.

B Calrissian wrote:Ollie and Collins have been in their fair share of play-off battles.

As major players for their team and would still be major players for the Wolves, is kind of what I meant. Obviously Madsen had his run with the Lakers, but do you think that really has helped the Wolves any? Only thing he really does is cool off our shooters with his constant towel waving.

Yeah I was kidding. I don't see either Collins or Ollie being on the team next season. Collins is getting no playing time with McHale as coach and Ollie is pretty old. I do think the young guys probably have more respect for Madsen for being a (small)part of those Lakers teams. So perhaps they listen to him more. Well expect for when he says relax Kevin we are just practicing, then gets his mouth busted up.

B Calrissian wrote:Yeah I was kidding. I don't see either Collins or Ollie being on the team next season. Collins is getting no playing time with McHale as coach and Ollie is pretty old. I do think the young guys probably have more respect for Madsen for being a (small)part of those Lakers teams. So perhaps they listen to him more. Well expect for when he says relax Kevin we are just practicing, then gets his mouth busted up.

I think every team needs a Mark Madsen. Think if he didn't do his stupid dance at the championship parade he'd still be in the league?

Can we seriously fast forward to July?

My ideal 2009-2010 Minnesota Timberwolves:
C - Thabeet/Love
PF - Jefferson/Smith
SF - Marvin Williams/Gomes
SG - Miller/Brewer
PG - Foye/(Lawson/Collison/insert rookie PG with Miami's pick here)

I like it. Williams is a great target for the offseason, but if you could get him for a package of Miller, Smith, Telfair, I'd do it. We keep our expirings which is just that much better to have for that other piece.

Thabeet, Jefferson, Williams, Love, and Gomes sounds like a great 3-5 for us.

john2jer wrote:
Can we seriously fast forward to July?

My ideal 2009-2010 Minnesota Timberwolves:
C - Thabeet/Love
PF - Jefferson/Smith
SF - Marvin Williams/Gomes
SG - Miller/Brewer
PG - Foye/(Lawson/Collison/insert rookie PG with Miami's pick here)

I don't think you can pencil Love in as your back-up center, he's too small to play PF in this league.

mandurugo wrote:

john2jer wrote:
Can we seriously fast forward to July?

My ideal 2009-2010 Minnesota Timberwolves:
C - Thabeet/Love
PF - Jefferson/Smith
SF - Marvin Williams/Gomes
SG - Miller/Brewer
PG - Foye/(Lawson/Collison/insert rookie PG with Miami's pick here)

I don't think you can pencil Love in as your back-up center, he's too small to play PF in this league.

Well unless we start subbing 5 and 5 at the halfway point of the quarter like this is 3rd grade rec league, I didn't really think Love and Smith would be on the floor together at the 5 and 4 respectively. It's more like a 3 big rotation with Thabeet, Jefferson, and Love, with Smith getting minimal minutes(10-15).