Revisiting the 7/9/2008 Trade

Post #1 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:41 am

On July 9, 2008, the Minnesota Timberwolves acquired Rodney Carney, Calvin Booth and a first-round draft pick from Philadelphia in exchange for a future conditional second-round draft pick.

Seriously? How the heck did we pull that off? A first, Carney, and an expiring just for a 2nd?

Heres the thread from when the deal was first announced: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=823147&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RD&KG2 · Post #2 » by **RD&KG2** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:00 am

We had what they needed right then to get Brand so they over paid us to be able to pay Brand.

shrink · Post #3 » by **shrink** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:03 pm

This is the power of trading cap space and TPE's that I'm always going on about,

You also didn't mention that PHI is paying all of Booth's salary and part of Carney's.

4ho5ive · Post #4 » by **4ho5ive** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:08 pm

Yep, thats why i heart shrink. All the small Chucky Atkins-like deals are often overlooked but those are sometimes the most realistic. This deal helped us big time.

Dewey · Post #5 » by **Dewey** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:04 pm

What's odd, is why did it take so long for Carney to get some run? He's a little raw, but his energy is making up for most of his mistakes. He's getting better with his role, is making McCants about 100% gone by the deadline.

jack612 · Post #6 » by **jack612** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:51 pm

Dewey wrote:What's odd, is why did it take so long for Carney to get some run?

Randy Wittman.

mayorhoiberg · Post #7 » by **mayorhoiberg** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:31 am

shrink wrote:This is the power of trading cap space and TPE's that I'm always going on about,

You also didn't mention that PHI is paying all of Booth's salary and part of Carney's.

OR the fact that we won't actually have to give them a 2nd rounder. Aren't there some sort of protections on our 2nd round pick that make it so we will never have to give it to them?

Post #8 » by **TheFranchise21** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:59 am

It is conditional but I don't know what the conditions are.

shrink · Post #9 » by **shrink** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:17 am

Good point. Like some of the other trades done this week, "something" needs to come back to the other team, so they often will include like a Top 59 protected pick.

HL Slamdunk · Post #10 » by **HL Slamdunk** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:26 am

Don't tear me apart for asking this, but why were we even able to make this deal? Don't salaries have to cancel out, or is there a period where you don't have to match salaries in trades?

Post #11 » by **Basti** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:42 am

mayorhoiberg wrote:
shrink wrote:This is the power of trading cap space and TPE's that I'm always going on about,

You also didn't mention that PHI is paying all of Booth's salary and part of Carney's.

OR the fact that we won't actually have to give them a 2nd rounder. Aren't there some sort of protections on our 2nd round pick that make it so we will never have to give it to them?

well given the fact that we have a lot of picks in the next draft class I think we might as well just give it to them. but I think there were some restrictions on it though.

Philadelphia 76ers President and General Manager Ed Stefanski announced today that the team has traded Calvin Booth, Rodney Carney, cash considerations and the rights to a conditional first-round pick received from Utah (acquired from the Jazz last December) to the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for a protected second-round pick in 2010

http://www.insidehoops.com/carney-booth ... 0908.shtml

so yeah it is protected

Frozen316 · Post #12 » by **Frozen316** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:32 am

Carney himself was drafted 16th overall in his draft, so it's like we got two middle-late draft picks for one early-middle second round draft pick :E

Post #13 » by **TheFranchise21** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:40 am

HL Slamdunk wrote:Don't tear me apart for asking this, but why were we even able to make this deal? Don't salaries have to cancel out, or is there a period where you don't have to match salaries in trades?

We had a TPE from the Miami deal when we shipped out Ricky Davis and Mark Blount. With that TPE, that is how we matched salaries. It was around $2.8 million.

Biff Cooper · Post #14 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:58 am

shrink wrote:This is the power of trading cap space and TPE's that I'm always going on about,

You also didn't mention that PHI is paying all of Booth's salary and part of Carney's.

Shrink - keep bringing up good ideas how to get more TPE's. Is there a limit on how many TPE's you can use per year?

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #15 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:09 am

mayorhoiberg wrote:
shrink wrote:This is the power of trading cap space and TPE's that I'm always going on about,

You also didn't mention that PHI is paying all of Booth's salary and part of Carney's.

OR the fact that we won't actually have to give them a 2nd rounder. Aren't there some sort of protections on our 2nd round pick that make it so we will never have to give it to them?

Its probably something like the pick goes to Philly if the pick is #55 or worse. You can't make an NBA trade where one team doesn't give up something, so teams will trade cash or conditional picks that disappear.