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Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#1 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:29 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/58086/20090324/could_izzo_coach_the_timberwolves/

Short answer? Yes.

Tom Izzo wrote:I'm so sick of people saying, 'He's a defensive coach, he's a rebounding coach.' I want to be a great defensive coach, a great rebounding coach, a great running-game coach, a great offensive-execution coach, a great special-teams-sidelines-out-of-bounds coach. I want utopia. I want my players to want utopia.


He's a demanding coach that players love to play for, and will fight for. He turned down Toronto before. I think he'd demand the respect of our players and be a perfect long term answer.
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#2 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:32 pm

Although I think Larry Izzo would be more interesting. :-)

I didn't realize Tom Izzo was still fairly young at 54. He's just been around for ever it seems.

I think he does a good job of getting the best out of players, getting them to play together and above their talent level.
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Post#3 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:47 pm

john2jer wrote:Although I think Larry Izzo would be more interesting. :-)



or better yet, Jay H to the Izzo
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#4 » by Calinks » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:51 pm

Jim Caviezel or bust.

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Post#5 » by slinky » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:52 pm

It would be an interesting conversation to hear what people have to say about this...but unless this is stated somewhere else I dont know about, this is a Charley Walters of the Pioneer Press "rumor", so I wouldnt put a whole lot of credence into it.

I know in the past he has gotten some feelers from other teams about coaching. And he turned them down. I dont know the circumstances surrounding any of the teams that wanted him a couple of years ago, but I find it hard to believe that he would leave MichSt for the Wolves.

Coaches who have had a lot of success at the college level dont necessarily seem eager to jump to the NBA. Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Knight, Howland, Calhoun, Olson, Dean Smith, Eddie Sutton, Wooden come to mind as examples. Even Calipari and Pitino arent overly anxious to get back to the NBA. There are exceptions like Larry Brown. But I think the NBA is a completely different animal for coaches.

All this gibberish I wrote is moot, if there is an actual quote from Izzo saying he would like to go to the NBA, but I dont believe he would leave MichSt to join the Wolves. Even if his basic philosophy meshes well with what I want to see from the wolves; tough, physical rebounding team.
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Post#6 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:55 pm

Calinks3 wrote:Jim Caviezel or bust.

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It might take Hey-Seuss to get this team to the play-offs.

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Post#7 » by mnWI » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:56 pm

Shooter starts this rumor every year. McHale is coaching this team next year.
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Post#8 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:00 pm

slinky wrote:It would be an interesting conversation to hear what people have to say about this...but unless this is stated somewhere else I dont know about, this is a Charley Walters of the Pioneer Press "rumor", so I wouldnt put a whole lot of credence into it.


My bad, I missed the Walters portion of the wiretap. Scratch this. Chucky W is a moron.

slinky wrote:Coaches who have had a lot of success at the college level dont necessarily seem eager to jump to the NBA. Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Knight, Howland, Calhoun, Olson, Dean Smith, Eddie Sutton, Wooden come to mind as examples. Even Calipari and Pitino arent overly anxious to get back to the NBA. There are exceptions like Larry Brown. But I think the NBA is a completely different animal for coaches.


I think a lot of it has to do with it being tough when you're a coach like Bob Knight, Coach K, or Roy Williams and you have this aura, or movie star-like status at these colleges. I know I'd have a hard time leaving for new pastures if I was in a place where I could have anything I wanted, was already being paid top salary, and was extremely successful.

slinky wrote:All this gibberish I wrote is moot, if there is an actual quote from Izzo saying he would like to go to the NBA, but I dont believe he would leave MichSt to join the Wolves. Even if his basic philosophy meshes well with what I want to see from the wolves; tough, physical rebounding team.


Completely agree with all that. I don't see him leaving, but he embodies exactly what I'd want to see from the Wolves.
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#9 » by casey » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:02 pm

john2jer wrote:Short answer? Yes.

Shorter answer? No.
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Post#10 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:04 pm

Long answer?

In developing a formal philosophy the coach can take three key components and to his or her best ability formulate a coaching philosophy document with the aim to be a better coach, to improve coach/athlete satisfaction and to achieve superior athletic results. These three components are:

1. Knowing yourself, your strengths, weakness and areas requiring improvement
2. Knowing what you are up against and the obstacles you may encounter
3. Understanding your athletes, their personalities, abilities, goals, and why they are in your sport

Know Yourself

It takes honest assessment to admit to having weaknesses but we all have them. We just do not want them to interfere with good coaching judgment. By focusing on your strengths you will be able to identify consistent ways to coach that utilize those strengths. Are you a good teacher, or motivator, or academic, or communicator or a former athlete? Are you dynamic, or easy going, or hard nosed or open and friendly? Use your strengths to your advantage. By taking time to make a serious assessment of your strengths and weaknesses and recognizing your morals, values and beliefs you are better able to adapt your own style to the athletes being coached. In addition, you will answer the important questions on why you are a coach, how you actually deliver as a coach and what objectives you are trying to accomplish. Self-knowledge leads to self-confidence and you want to exude what you believe in. One other point to consider here is - how do others perceive you?
Know what you are up against - your coaching context

As important as it is to understand what makes you tick, it is equally important to understand the confines of your coaching context. By this, I mean: A good understanding of the age, gender and training level of the athletes you coach. How much time you and your athletes have available to train and compete? What is your development program based upon and how far can you take it by enhancing and incorporating other aspects such as sport psychology, nutrition education or sophisticated technique analysis? What funding, facilities, services and equipment are at your disposal? In addition, what are your short medium and long term goals for your athletes?

There could be other restrictions that will affect your coaching delivery. These include laws or policies on safe practices, club or school rules of behaviour, competition with other sports, school pressures and outside activities, parental interference, or performance standards to qualify for teams and competitions. Knowing what you are up against enables you to tailor your annual training program to the specific needs of the athletes you have under your charge. By understanding the outside influences that will affect your program, you can incorporate those that are good practices. Such as policies on safety and behaviour, adapt to others that restrict your ability to be the 'do it all coach' such as lack of funds, equipment or services, and minimize negative obstacles that will affect you personally or an athlete on your team or your team in general. Dealing with parents can be a stressful situation and a clear philosophy on how you will deal with an irate parent will minimize or avoid the knee jerk reaction that often makes matters worse. By adapting your coaching philosophy to reflect the coaching situation you are dealing with you become more effective and productive and you minimize obstacles and other difficulties.
Understand your athletes, their personalities, abilities, goals and why they are in your sport

Communication is a vital aspect in coach/athlete relationships. It is very important to talk to your athletes individually to determine what their values and beliefs are, what their goals are and why they are participating. Without this knowledge, you might be delivering a coaching bag of apples to athletes wanting a bag of oranges. The program just will not work properly. As a coach, you are a powerful role model and can have a tremendous influence on your athletes if you and your athletes are on the same page. Take the time to get to know each of your athletes just as if you examined your own values, beliefs and habits. Once you know and understand each of your athletes, their strengths, weaknesses abilities and skills, then I suggest you develop an approach to coaching them. Will you focus on the stars? Will you treat everyone equal in terms of your attention and help? Perhaps the teamwork approach will work for you.

What is your attitude toward teamwork?

By developing a TEAM philosophy (Together Each Achieves More) as well as your personal coaching philosophy, you bring together ingredients for superior success. By knowing your athletes you know how each fits in with the TEAM philosophy. Some may have values or behaviours that undermine the team and you can work out solutions to change the athlete's behaviour to fit for the good of the team. Knowing your athletes enables you to identify your leaders and role models that the rest of the team will respond positively. By getting athletes to buy into the 'TEAM' concept you will aid in streamlining a consistent approach to training and competition by each athlete. This makes coaching much easier and hopefully more rewarding.
Process versus Outcome

In my opinion, every coaching philosophy should have a major statement on how the coach views the results of both training and competition. I cannot stress enough the importance of educating athletes that it is more important to focus on their process of development and how they performed in competition rather than the results or outcomes that they achieved. In a race or game there can be only one winner. Does that mean everyone else is a loser? If you read the newspapers that is what you would think. Therefore, to build confidence and see measurable progress and to learn positively from mistakes made I urge all coaches to focus on the process and not the outcomes with their athletes. It is important for the athletes to do the same.
Conclusion

All coaches operate under a coaching philosophy of some kind. It may be by instinct or it may be formally documented and well thought out. The advantages of a well thought out coaching philosophy are threefold:

1. You learn about yourself, how you tick and what strengths you have, why you are coaching and how you can effectively go about enhancing your coaching delivery.
2. You gain an understanding of your coaching context, the obstacles you have to face and how to deal with limitations, appropriate and safe training methods, and the goals you are trying to achieve.
3. You get to know your athletes on a more intimate basis and therefore can tailor your training to meet their needs, strengths and limitations.

With this knowledge, it is possible to develop a team approach that achieves superior performances. Linking the aspects of the three segments of a coaching philosophy will create a coaching roadmap for you that is realistic, satisfying to both you and your athletes, and rewarding in the form of improved performance.

Coaching is all about helping athletes achieve their dreams. It should be done positively and smartly and with passion. The positive coach and role model, following a well defined coaching philosophy will be a key ingredient in the success of his or her athletes. For that reason alone, the development of a formal coaching philosophy statement is essential for all coaches.
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#11 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:10 pm

casey wrote:
john2jer wrote:Short answer? Yes.

Shorter answer? No.


So are you saying Izzo wouldn't be a quality long term coach?

Devilz, I'm pretty sure I've read that article too. I think I might have quoted it in college a couple times for papers I wrote. :-)
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#12 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:12 pm

john2jer wrote:
casey wrote:
john2jer wrote:Short answer? Yes.

Shorter answer? No.


So are you saying Izzo wouldn't be a quality long term coach?

Devilz, I'm pretty sure I've read that article too. I think I might have quoted it in college a couple times for papers I wrote. :-)


I googled coaching philosophy and figured I'd get a bunch of over-analyzed theories on coaching; I was right.
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#13 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:29 pm

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john2jer wrote:Devilz, I'm pretty sure I've read that article too. I think I might have quoted it in college a couple times for papers I wrote. :-)


I googled coaching philosophy and figured I'd get a bunch of over-analyzed theories on coaching; I was right.


Back when I was in college Minnesota had a requirement for coaches to have a Coaching License. I think they dropped that requirement after my freshman year. Well I took the coaching classes anyways because I loved coaching. Every class was based around ideas of basically what you posted.

I've been coaching since my Senior year of high school. I have a group of Sophomores that I've coached since they were in 5th grade; fall, winter, and spring until they hit high school, now it's just fall and spring. I work with a couple of them individually all summer long in the weight room or on fundamentals. Every season I have to unfortunately decide which 8-9 out of 20 kids I'm going to take for my team. They'd run through a wall for me if I ask them too, and my cell phone blows up with text messages at all hours if anything is ever on their mind. They're all like brothers to me. I don't think I've ever once thought about my "coaching philosophy" with these kids. We work hard, push each other, have fun, and win games. Maybe that's my philosophy without even thinking about it.
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Post#14 » by casey » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:36 pm

john2jer wrote:
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john2jer wrote:Short answer? Yes.

Shorter answer? No.


So are you saying Izzo wouldn't be a quality long term coach?

I'm saying Izzo isn't leaving Michigan State.
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Post#15 » by john2jer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:47 pm

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john2jer wrote:
casey wrote:So are you saying Izzo wouldn't be a quality long term coach?

I'm saying Izzo isn't leaving Michigan State.


Ah, my fault, then. My "Short answer? Yes." comment was more about wanting Izzo here, not about assuming he's leaving. I can see how it would be read that way, though. I agree, I doubt he's leaving anytime soon.
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Post#16 » by RTM » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:22 pm

Izzo's a god among men at MSU (and the highest paid person on campus). I'm pretty sure the school will do whatever it takes to keep him around. Besides, he's a Michigan guy.

Although I really do think his coaching style would crossover into the NBA.
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Post#17 » by tim_ » Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:25 am

This could be interesting. This could either be what happened to Rick Pittino, or it could be a success. I would be up for this if McHale decides to hang it up.
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Post#18 » by ElectricMayhem » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:18 am

Izzo's said in the past he would listen to all offers, but that it would really take a perfect situation for him to leave what he's got at MSU. As a Spartan fan, I'd especially hate to lose him a year after we lost our chance at bringing Crean back. Gregory of Dayton seems to be considered the heir apparent.

But anyway, yeah, the wiretap looks like nothing more than the passing fancy of a columnist. Any year the Spartans make a deep run, we get a lot of these articles popping up.
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Post#19 » by Basti » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:04 pm

GenshiYagyu wrote:Izzo's said in the past he would listen to all offers, but that it would really take a perfect situation for him to leave what he's got at MSU.


so he won't come here I assume.
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Re: Izzo to Minnesota? 

Post#20 » by john2jer » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:13 pm

I think we should have the Wolves, when healthy, play against Michigan State. Winner takes Izzo.
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