Another outside the box idea: Wolves/Pistons

deeney0 · Post #1 » by **deeney0** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:16 pm

This is an Al Jefferson trade. Don't read any farther if that's going to put a bad taste in your mouth.

Wolves trade:
Al Jefferson
Brian Cardinal
Mark Madsen
Sebastian Telfair

Wolves Receive:
Tayshaun Prince
Rodney Stuckey
Detroit's 2009 first round pick (currently #17)

Pistons trade:
Tayshaun Prince
Rodney Stuckey
Detroit's 2009 first round pick (currently #17)

Pistons Receive:
Al Jefferson
Brian Cardinal
Mark Madsen
Sebastian Telfair

Detroit has enough cap space to make this work, along with a few other permutations - it works without Bassy or with Miller instead of Cardinal+Madsen or Cardinal+Bassy. This leaves the Wolves with a 2009 payroll under $39 million ignoring draft picks. Stuckey, Foye, Prince, Love is quite the 1-4 considering this gives them ANOTHER 2009 first to work with and a ton of cap space. The main ideas here are balance and defense. I'd probably find a way to draft Thabeet after this and roll with something like:

Stuckey/drafted PG
Foye/Brewer
Prince/Gomes
Love/Smith
Thabeet

Ignoring that they've got the flexibility to sign an impact FA in 2009 or 2010.

AQuintus · Post #2 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:22 pm

I don't like it. To me it seems like you're trading our best player (Jefferson) to get a couple of pieces that fit well with Foye, and if Foye has done anything since Jefferson went down, he's show that he isn't a building block for a championship contender.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #3 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:25 pm

Stuckey seems like another Foye; a "hey, gonna be a star!" then "I'm still waiting...."
Prince is getting kinda old
#17 pick is overkill in this draft

john2jer · Post #4 » by **john2jer** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:49 pm

I loved Stuckey coming out of college, and I still like him as a 2nd or 3rd option type of guy, an inconsistent 14-16 ppg scorer. I don't understand the man-wood that the Pistons fans get over him.

prefuse73 · Post #5 » by **prefuse73** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:05 pm

No good.

I agree that with the development of Love (who I feel will be a more complete player than Jefferson), that trading Big Al might be something to look at after next year. It would be nice to see what the Jefferson/Love combo can do with a year under their belts. If we do trade him, I will want to find a legit 7 footer to compliment Love with the deal.

I do feel that Foye is showing us that at most he should be our 6th man and not be relied upon to carry the load in any capacity. He is just not cutting it. If we do any trade in the offseason, Foye should be going.

casey · Post #6 » by **casey** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:27 pm

I don't think you really understand the meaning of a box. The whole point is to stay within the confines of said box. You never go outside the box. Or ass to mouth.

john2jer · Post #7 » by **john2jer** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:36 pm

casey wrote:I don't think you really understand the meaning of a box. The whole point is to stay within the confines of said box. You never go outside the box. Or ass to mouth.

Casey, that was the perfect ending to my work week. Thank you for making me smile and laugh out loud on this Friday afternoon.

casey · Post #8 » by **casey** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:07 am

john2jer wrote:
casey wrote:I don't think you really understand the meaning of a box. The whole point is to stay within the confines of said box. You never go outside the box. Or ass to mouth.

Casey, that was the perfect ending to my work week. Thank you for making me smile and laugh out loud on this Friday afternoon.

That's what I'm here for. :thumbsup:

Post #9 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:49 pm

I tend to be bias against Al Jeff trades, but even considering that I do not like this trade. if we are to move Al it is to get a younger stud player to fit next to love. Whether it is a true 5 or a 3. I know it would never happen but a Kevin Durrant would be the type of target. A Derrick Rose perhaps. Someone in the 19-22 range at a position to compliment Kevin love.

If we are to move Al that is.

Foye · Post #10 » by **Foye** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:18 pm

No way we can find better offers for Al

casey · Post #11 » by **casey** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:12 am

Foye wrote:No way we can find better offers for Al

Did you mean "No way we can find better offers for Al" or "No way, we can find better offers for Al"?

mnWI · Post #12 » by **mnWI** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:20 am

casey wrote:
Foye wrote:No way we can find better offers for Al

Did you mean "No way we can find better offers for Al" or "No way, we can find better offers for Al"?

He meant "No way we can, find better offers for Al".

casey · Post #13 » by **casey** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:21 am

Touché.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #14 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:20 am

whoa, you speak French?

john2jer · Post #15 » by **john2jer** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:57 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:whoa, you speak French?

If you understood him, I think it means you speak French too. AND ME! I speak FRENCH!?!?!?!? AWESOME!

TrentTuckerForever · Post #16 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:15 pm

AQuintus wrote:I don't like it. To me it seems like you're trading our best player (Jefferson) to get a couple of pieces that fit well with Foye, and if Foye has done anything since Jefferson went down, he's show that he isn't a building block for a championship contender.

Foye's been hurt (this year and last), coached by three guys in three years and shuffled between positions. I'm not sold that he's "the man," or even that he's a starter at this point, but it's not like he's had the same coach, teammates or role for a whole season yet either. Jury's out, IMO.

As to this trade - I'd think about it long and hard. Prince is everything the Wolves have wanted in a 3 man, and he's got a championship ring to boot. Stuckey/Foye is an interesting backcourt, especially with Prince to help with perimeter D.

To me the deciding factor is Thabeet. If you can get him, and if you think he can be a dominant defensive center in the league, you do this deal. I love Jefferson, but so far he's only been a good player on bad teams. I think and hope he'll be more (develop into more Duncan than Abdur-Rahim) but he hasn't so far. This is a 20-win team - no untouchables.

Biff Cooper · Post #17 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:26 pm

I'd think about trading Jefferson (or Love) if we happen to draft Griffin.

I don't like the idea of trading Jefferson because we draft Thabeet.

Winter Wonder · Post #18 » by **Winter Wonder** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:20 pm

I would consider an Al Jefferon trade if we got the right value and fit back...

I don't believe that is the case here, but that is mainly because I am not a fan of Stuckey...

P.S. (though not a true P.S. due to no signature) I like using three dots at the end of thoughts...

karch34 · Post #19 » by **karch34** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:06 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:whoa, you speak French?

I do. You're a bunch of a******s. Pardon my French. :lol:

(Thanks to Turd Ferguson for that one.)

If we get Griffin, I think you consider moving Al, Love, or Griffin. That said, Thabeet isn't enough to have me trade Al. That said, I think we do better in a trade for Al. The pick has little value. Stuckey and Prince are nice players, but they seem more like guys that fit well into a system like Detroit's rather than players you look at as cornerstones.

4ho5ive · Post #20 » by **4ho5ive** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:41 pm

karch34 wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:whoa, you speak French?

I do. You're a bunch of a******s. Pardon my French.
(Thanks to Turd Ferguson for that one.)

If we get Griffin, I think you consider moving Al, Love, or Griffin. That said, Thabeet isn't enough to have me trade Al. That said, I think we do better in a trade for Al. The pick has little value. Stuckey and Prince are nice players, but they seem more like guys that fit well into a system like Detroit's rather than players you look at as cornerstones.

I'll take ape tit for $500