Jose Calderon in Minnesota?

I Know Sum Ball · Post #1 » by **I Know Sum Ball** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:29 pm

This is just a hypothetical trade that I think would work out for all three teams.
Minnesota acquires Jose Calderon from the Toronto Raptors, Chicago acquires Mike Miller from the Timberwolves, and Toronto Raptors acquires Kirk Hinrich from the bulls.
Jose Calderon $8.2Mill 2009/2010, $9+Mill 2010-13
Mike Miller $9.75Mill 2009/10
Kirk Hinrich 9.5MIll 2009/10, $9Mill 2010/11 , $8Mill 2011/12
The money situation will work and each team will get something that they need. Toronto will get a much needed point guard that can drive and penetrate the lanes. Minnesota will get a very good point guard (a much better upgrade from Telfair), and Chicago will get rid of a guard in since they are already clustered in that position and a bonus get another shooter that comes of the books in 2010.

Post #2 » by **C.lupus** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:41 pm

Or we could just trade Miller for Hinrich and get a cheaper PG who plays defense.

Xand1 · Post #3 » by **Xand1** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:41 pm

I'm not sure why Toronto does that.. They get an inferior player and the longest contract, and give up the best player in the deal, but sure, if it was offered I'd take it for the Wolves without thinking about it.

Post #4 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:43 pm

OP

Hinrich is not known as a Pg who will drive the lanes. He is a defensive guy that makes good decisions, but is hardly a playmaker. The problem is in your premise. if Hinrich is better than Calderon, why would MN give up the asset needed to get Hinrich and take back the lesser Calderon?

Rakocevicftw · Post #5 » by **Rakocevicftw** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:36 pm

I like Hinrich, but let's stop it with this nonsense about him being better than Calderon.

Yes Calderon is subpar defensively, but Nash is awful defensively and is a future Hall of Famer. Calderon is an excellent point guard and we'd be lucky to have him for expiring deals.

Rakocevicftw · Post #6 » by **Rakocevicftw** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:39 pm

Xand1 wrote:I'm not sure why Toronto does that.. They get an inferior player and the longest contract, and give up the best player in the deal, but sure, if it was offered I'd take it for the Wolves without thinking about it.

Toronto fans hate Calderon for some reason, and obviously Toronto has to shake up things after this hugely disappointing season.

Post #7 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:55 pm

Rakocevic. I am not saying Calderon is better than Hinrich. I am saying that the OP is assuming Hinrich is better hence the desire to move Calderon and get Hinrich. Thus it makes no sense for MN to take on the piece with less value while giving up the piece needed to gain the better piece.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #8 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:04 pm

yep I'd do it, so far there's 3 PGs that I think the Wolves should look into trading Miller for: TJ Ford, Hinrich, and Calderon

I like Hinrich for his defense and shooting, I like Calderon for his offensive game and pure pg skills, and I like Ford as a Bassy w/ better offense. Ford might be my favorite because of his speed. I think that might be why Bassy always grades out well in the plus/minus, with his speed he gets the team into their offense faster and when you have such a post-centric team with guys that like to take their time and go one on one and wings that don't really create their own shot, shotclock seconds are at a premium.

AQuintus · Post #9 » by **AQuintus** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:12 pm

C.lupus wrote:Or we could just trade Miller for Hinrich and get a cheaper PG who plays defense.

Or we could even try to trade Foye for Conley and get a cheaper PG who plays defense and is a better fit with the team's age.

Post #10 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:22 pm

Why would memphis do that deal?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #11 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:28 pm

we probably could've had Conley early int the year, but I think that ship has sailed

Xand1 · Post #12 » by **Xand1** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:51 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:we probably could've had Conley early int the year, but I think that ship has sailed

Most likely. He's played far too well in the last few months to be available for someone like Foye..

AQuintus · Post #13 » by **AQuintus** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:23 am

revprodeji wrote:Why would memphis do that deal?

I probably should have added + extra after Foye, but my thinking is that both Mayo and Gay are extremely ball dominant (especially at the end of games), so they might want to consider a guy who would be a better off the ball type of player next to them.

Devilzsidewalk wrote:we probably could've had Conley early int the year, but I think that ship has sailed

More than likely true. I remember the good old days when we could have gotten extra value in a Foye for Conley trade, instead of the other way around.

LordBaldric · Post #14 » by **LordBaldric** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:46 am

Let's hope we can land Rubio and not even think about this stuff!

big3_8_19_21 · Post #15 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:50 am

then let's hold on to Foye and he'll probably raise his stock again at some point, and then make a decision then...never sell low

LordBaldric · Post #16 » by **LordBaldric** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:04 am

big3_8_19_21 wrote:then let's hold on to Foye and he'll probably raise his stock again at some point, and then make a decision then...never sell low

I'm fine hanging on to him as long as he's on his rookie contract. Extending him would be a big mistake at this point though IMO.

JMillott · Post #17 » by **JMillott** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:46 pm

I think extending Foye is a good idea as long as the price is right. He is capable of having a breakout year at SG next year fulltime. If he'll sign a four year 24 million dollar extention they should do it.

I think he can earn that and i'd rather not have him go out and get 18 PPG, 3.5 RPG and 4.5 APG next year as the starting SG on 45/40/85% shooting and then have to give him 5 years and 35-40 million to keep him.

I think he is a capable starting SG he just can't handle the role as the #2 player on a bad roster and he isn't a PG even though he can play the position for stretches his natural position is SG.