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The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:56 am
by Krapinsky
Rev started a Curry thread, so I thought I should be able to start a Derozan thread to discuss how awesome he is. As a matter of fact, he is awesome.

Great, great interview with my man Derozan at Slam Magazine.

here ==> http://slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/0 ... ifted-one/

P.S. Who wins in a fight? A lion or Derzoan? Alright, maybe a lion, but that lion's still getting dunked on!

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:01 am
by 4ho5ive
The only thing Flying Boobies has ever lost at is a "Who can get their face stepped on" contest to Chase Budinger

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:05 am
by JMillott
I like him here too but only if the Wolves can't get Thabeet or Rubio unless they trade up from the Miami pick for him. My ideal offseason would be Thabeet and DeRozan in the draft with Sessions in free agency and dealing Gomes, Telfair and Smith to get a decent backup combo guard.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:12 am
by Krapinsky
Derozan shoots down ASU.

==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oxhwQseBzE

Derozan dunks over UCLA.

==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oxhwQseBzE

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:14 am
by Krapinsky
4ho5ive wrote:The only thing Flying Boobies has ever lost at is a "Who can get their face stepped on" contest to Chase Budinger


If you mean Derozan stepped on Budinger's face while dunking over him, please send me a video link so I can add to my boner jams '09 mix tape.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:37 am
by the_bruce
Derozan seems to do all the little things you'd want a wing to do. Great dunks, good mid range game, his pullup is solid, gets into the lane, finishes through contact, not sure how well he operates off iso in general but looks fairly solid in that area too.

he'll probably be fantastic in a few years. I'll move him up my draft board maybe!

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:33 am
by Krapinsky
bruceallen61 wrote:
he'll probably be fantastic in a few years. I'll move him up my draft board maybe!


Now that's what I'm talking about Bruuuuuuuce!

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:38 pm
by revprodeji
Whichever team drafts Demar DeRozan will be picking him in the hopes that he’ll growing into their system, and not because he’s already a great fit.

Unlike every other player in our analysis, DeRozan doesn’t make a living in any one situation, though he is one of the most efficient players on our list. In our last piece we discussed the new %Score stat which indicates how frequently a player scored a point based on their logged possessions. DeRozan ranks first amongst the nineteen players on our list at 54.4%. However, he ranks only 16th in overall PPP. This disparity stems from the fact that he shoots nearly three less three-pointers per game than the average player on our list (4.3 vs. 1.3) and ranks last in terms of three-point percentage at just 16.7%. He doesn’t get to the free throw line at a great rate to compensate and only converts on a mediocre 65% of his attempts once there. He makes up for that by shooting 49% from the field on his isolation opportunities (4th), knocking down his catch and shoot jumpers at a 43% clip (6th), and hitting 41% of his pull ups as well (4th). Clearly DeRozan has a solid knack for operating in the mid-range area, which should serve him well in the more spacing-friendly NBA. He’s also a good offensive rebounder—a testament to his excellent physical tools.

Outside of those areas, DeRozan proves a very average player across the board. His defensive rebounding totals sit just below the mean as does his assists numbers, PPP working off of cuts (1.22) and as a finisher around the rim in general (1.14). He sits a bit further below the average in a number of other situations including spot up (1.02 vs. 0.93) and transition opportunities (1.19 vs 1.03). Considering that he didn’t do almost any posting up (0.3 Pos/G) or shooting coming off of screens (0.7 Pos/G), the weight teams put on how significantly they believe he can improve his range and ability to improve his efficiency in a defined system will likely determine where he lands on draft day. A freak athlete, DeRozan has some natural offensive talent, but he’s essentially a blank canvas in terms of what kind of player he can be in the long run. Whoever picks him will obviously need to be patient, although he may more upside that arguably any wing player in this draft.


We would be drafting on potential, not production. To me he is in the 3rd tier if we see Grif/Rubio as #1 and Thabeast/Harden as #2 then the question marks are the #3. In that 3rd group he is #2 behind Curry for me. Which means I do not even consider taking him unless Grif/Rubio/Thabeast/Harden/Curry are gone.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:11 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
Wolves won't take Derozan so I won't worry about this little incident DK

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:14 pm
by Krapinsky
revprodeji wrote:
Whichever team drafts Demar DeRozan will be picking him in the hopes that he’ll growing into their system, and not because he’s already a great fit.

Unlike every other player in our analysis, DeRozan doesn’t make a living in any one situation, though he is one of the most efficient players on our list. In our last piece we discussed the new %Score stat which indicates how frequently a player scored a point based on their logged possessions. DeRozan ranks first amongst the nineteen players on our list at 54.4%. However, he ranks only 16th in overall PPP. This disparity stems from the fact that he shoots nearly three less three-pointers per game than the average player on our list (4.3 vs. 1.3) and ranks last in terms of three-point percentage at just 16.7%. He doesn’t get to the free throw line at a great rate to compensate and only converts on a mediocre 65% of his attempts once there. He makes up for that by shooting 49% from the field on his isolation opportunities (4th), knocking down his catch and shoot jumpers at a 43% clip (6th), and hitting 41% of his pull ups as well (4th). Clearly DeRozan has a solid knack for operating in the mid-range area, which should serve him well in the more spacing-friendly NBA. He’s also a good offensive rebounder—a testament to his excellent physical tools.

Outside of those areas, DeRozan proves a very average player across the board. His defensive rebounding totals sit just below the mean as does his assists numbers, PPP working off of cuts (1.22) and as a finisher around the rim in general (1.14). He sits a bit further below the average in a number of other situations including spot up (1.02 vs. 0.93) and transition opportunities (1.19 vs 1.03). Considering that he didn’t do almost any posting up (0.3 Pos/G) or shooting coming off of screens (0.7 Pos/G), the weight teams put on how significantly they believe he can improve his range and ability to improve his efficiency in a defined system will likely determine where he lands on draft day. A freak athlete, DeRozan has some natural offensive talent, but he’s essentially a blank canvas in terms of what kind of player he can be in the long run. Whoever picks him will obviously need to be patient, although he may more upside that arguably any wing player in this draft.


We would be drafting on potential, not production. To me he is in the 3rd tier if we see Grif/Rubio as #1 and Thabeast/Harden as #2 then the question marks are the #3. In that 3rd group he is #2 behind Curry for me. Which means I do not even consider taking him unless Grif/Rubio/Thabeast/Harden/Curry are gone.


I'd like to see the same analysis done on his season for his last 8 games or so including the tournament. It's a smaller sampler size, so it's obviously going to be less accurate data, but you can't ignore his drastic improvement.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:51 pm
by 4ho5ive
I will be majorly upset if Curry is our choice and Derozan is still on the board.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:52 pm
by revprodeji
Almost like Foye in january?

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:55 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
4ho5ive wrote:I will be majorly upset if Curry is our choice and Derozan is still on the board.


I snuck a peak at the Wolves draft board and the top 5 are griffin, rubio, harden, evans, and thabeet. So we're guaranteed to get one of those 5.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:57 pm
by Krapinsky
revprodeji wrote:Almost like Foye in january?


That's not fair. Derozan was adjusting to a new level of competition, new teammates, a new offense, a new coach.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:58 pm
by Krapinsky
Devilzsidewalk wrote:
4ho5ive wrote:I will be majorly upset if Curry is our choice and Derozan is still on the board.


I snuck a peak at the Wolves draft board and the top 5 are griffin, rubio, harden, evans, and thabeet. So we're guaranteed to get one of those 5.


Grrr.....

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:37 pm
by revprodeji
Foye was adjusting to finally being healthy, a new system, a new coach and new teammates.

Only way we take DeRozan is if we drop in picks to the 6-8 range.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:42 pm
by Worm Guts
Foye's 25 and had been in the NBA 3 years, Derozan's 18 and his first year of college basketball. Drastic improvement is far more likely for someone Derozan's age. Derozan also stepped up in more important games against tougher opponents.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:45 pm
by revprodeji
honestly, I am just being a jerk. Sorry about it.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:46 pm
by Worm Guts
Don't worry about it, it happens to me all the time.

Re: The Dr's Derozan Shrine for All Things Derozan

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:01 pm
by PeeDee
A lof of folk are projecting Flying Boobies as a 3, not a 2. Are those of you that have interest in him still interested if he's a 3? It lowers my interest somewhat.