NJN - MIN Trade.

NetsForce · Post #1 » by **NetsForce** » Thu May 7, 2009 5:43 pm

...Sike.

What would the Nets have to give up to get Craig Smith? I tried to think up a trade proposal myself but didn't know whether guys like Josh Boone would interest the T'Wolves.

john2jer · Post #2 » by **john2jer** » Thu May 7, 2009 5:46 pm

Craig Smith for tickets to a Jay-Z concert.

Krapinsky · Post #3 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu May 7, 2009 5:50 pm

Is RyanAnderson gettable?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #4 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu May 7, 2009 5:53 pm

damn, Craig Smith is a nice fit w/ Lopez, I never thought of that one

Boone doesn't provide enough oomph, buy me Bone Storm or go to hell!

shrink · Post #5 » by **shrink** » Thu May 7, 2009 6:25 pm

I agree that Craig Smith would be fantastic next to Brook Lopez. Smith finished his first season as a Top 10 rookie through hard work. He has nice strength, and scary quickness that allows him to get his shot up past taller opponents. You may be interested to know that this season he's even put the ball on the floor to drive to the hoop. And of course, his contract is sweet.

Unfortunately for Smith, he's a good player on the wrong team. If we had Brook Lopez, I'd love him here too, but our two best players are both really PF's, and we don't have that imposing center to put behind him. We love Smith, but his future would be brighter on another team. On the Nets? Much brighter.

I like Ryan Anderson, but he's not the best fit here. I actually like Josh Boone too, but I don't know if he'd be enough. I personally am not interested in Sean Williams. Are you guys in love with CDR? I suppose it'd be possible to improve the pick from 18 (+28?) to 11 if the right guy was there, though I am not enamored with any of the prospects in the middle of the lottery. Maybe if the Wolves could still get one of the remaining PG's from Flynn, Curry, Evans, Jennings or Ty Lawson?

Post #6 » by **Basti** » Thu May 7, 2009 7:02 pm

Craig Smith for Keyon Dooling?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #7 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu May 7, 2009 7:07 pm

there it is

NetsForce · Post #8 » by **NetsForce** » Thu May 7, 2009 7:10 pm

the_incredible_basti wrote:Craig Smith for Keyon Dooling?

This is probably the most realistic trade I could think of. Funny thing with Dooling is that the Nets tried for YEARS to get him, and now that they finally got him I wonder if Rod Thorn will let go of his lovefest and trade him.

Though I loved how Dooling played this year I could live with trading him if the Nets were able to draft a decent point guard prospect, though I hate drafting a player at a position you're already set in because it's like telling the player "we believe in you, you'll be good but... you're not going to be a starter for us because our current starter at your position is ridiculously good"

As for Ryan Anderson, I guess the only think that makes me reluctant to part with him is that he's on his rookie contract so the Nets have him on the cheap for the next couple of years while I think Smith is a free agent at the end of the season.

Basically I'd love to pair one of: Craig Smith, Jason Maxiell, Carl Landry

With Brook Lopez, I just think they're great fits =D...

Thanks for the input though... Realistically speaking I think a third team might have to be brought into this, so what are the Wolves biggest needs right now (point guard?), and any word on who they might be leaning towards drafting with their own pick?

Post #9 » by **Basti** » Thu May 7, 2009 7:17 pm

I'd like to have Dooling as our Vaudeville-replacement for next season as the vet PG while clearing some glut on the bigger positions.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #10 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu May 7, 2009 7:19 pm

shrink wrote:I suppose it'd be possible to improve the pick from 18 (+28?) to 11 if the right guy was there, though I am not enamored with any of the prospects in the middle of the lottery. Maybe if the Wolves could still get one of the remaining PG's from Flynn, Curry, Evans, Jennings or Ty Lawson?

I like that one too, for Lawson I have to give up my main main Craigers, but it'd help him, it'd help us, and it'd help the Nets, so nobody loses.

For the Wolves, Evans,Rubio,Griffin,Lawson,Harden,Hill,Derozan,Thabeet,Jennings,Curry,Teague,Mullens,Flynn is probably my top 13 value, so if you had 11, you'd be guaranteed one of those and thats a good deal to me.

So if Craig Smith is the difference between having to take Lawson or Maynor, then Craig's got to pack his bags, get his plane tickets, and head to Borders to grab an English to **** translator, because he's headed for Jersey

shrink · Post #11 » by **shrink** » Thu May 7, 2009 8:31 pm

The problem with Dooling is contractual. MIN is giving up adding $1.3 mil in 2009 salary, and on Smith's tiny salary, this amount can't salary match, so we'd need to use raw cap space. If we use raw cap space, we immediately need to renounce the MLE, the LLE, and the rights we have on guys like Sprewell. Moreover, Dooling has a partially guaranteed ($0.5 mil) of a $3.8 mil 2010 deal, so it'd cost us 2009 cap space and 2010 cap space as well. Dooling might help us on the floor this year more than Smith, but I couldn't get over all the extras we'd lose.

deeney0 · Post #12 » by **deeney0** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:06 pm

Josh Boone sounds good to me.

Post #13 » by **Basti** » Thu May 7, 2009 9:35 pm

Cookie + Telfair (or whoever makes salaries work) for Dooling? does that work?

karch34 · Post #14 » by **karch34** » Fri May 8, 2009 3:43 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
shrink wrote:I suppose it'd be possible to improve the pick from 18 (+28?) to 11 if the right guy was there, though I am not enamored with any of the prospects in the middle of the lottery. Maybe if the Wolves could still get one of the remaining PG's from Flynn, Curry, Evans, Jennings or Ty Lawson?

I like that one too, for Lawson I have to give up my main main Craigers, but it'd help him, it'd help us, and it'd help the Nets, so nobody loses.

For the Wolves, Evans,Rubio,Griffin,Lawson,Harden,Hill,Derozan,Thabeet,Jennings,Curry,Teague,Mullens,Flynn is probably my top 13 value, so if you had 11, you'd be guaranteed one of those and thats a good deal to me.

So if Craig Smith is the difference between having to take Lawson or Maynor, then Craig's got to pack his bags, get his plane tickets, and head to Borders to grab an English to **** translator, because he's headed for Jersey

I'd be down with a Smith and 18 plus 28 or 2nd rounder(s) for Boone and 11. Boone would at least give us a big to throw in the rotation, but the bigger part would be getting 2 players in Devilz 13.

NetsForce · Post #15 » by **NetsForce** » Fri May 8, 2009 5:17 am

the_incredible_basti wrote:Cookie + Telfair (or whoever makes salaries work) for Dooling? does that work?

If the Nets throw in Eduardo Najera it works, I think Smith + Bobby Brown for Dooling works straight up though...

I actually worked out a fairly big four team trade that seems to benefit all the teams involved, but from a Nets perspective it kind of decimates the bench so I don't know how plausible it will be I may post it later if I can work out all the kinks...

As far as the Nets trading down in the draft I'm sure it's possible but they added 3 rookies last year, and have 2 picks in next years draft, so I don't know how keen they are in adding even more young players... Then again you never know sometimes GM's fall in a love with a player before the draft...

prefuse73 · Post #16 » by **prefuse73** » Fri May 8, 2009 6:11 am

Boone and #11 for Smith + Mia Pick #18

We draft Harden and Lawson and call it day.

shrink · Post #17 » by **shrink** » Fri May 8, 2009 12:54 pm

prefuse73 wrote:Boone and #11 for Smith + Mia Pick #18

We draft Harden and Lawson and call it day.

This makes the most sense to me. It works financially (Boone $2,056,968, Smith $2,300,000), and both players fit better on the other team. Dooling is a nice fit as a back-up for Devin Harris, and they have no real reason to want to pluck that last PG. From my view (and NJN fans may disagree), there isn't any huge seperation in talent between 11 and 18, just some more cash ($2 mil starting salary vs $1.2). If they want the BOS pick, I don't mind tossing it in, but if there's a gap (I'm not sure there is), cash might be better for both teams. NJN might just sell the #28 -- but so could we.

NetsForce · Post #18 » by **NetsForce** » Mon May 11, 2009 5:35 am

It's hard to say I mean... I'm really not up to date with all the prospects in this draft but I'd like the Nets to draft Harden, Derozan, or Clark but it seems like all 3 of them will be gone by the 11th pick which for the Nets purposes DOES makes it seem like there is NOT going to be a huge separation in talent between the 11th and 18th picks...

Though, and this is kind of an aside, but... If the Nets were to trade down to the 18th pick... That's a place where I'd feel comfortable drafting Dejuan Blair, who is similar to Craig Smith in a variety of ways x_X...

Originally I didn't want the Nets to trade down but if there are no good wing prospects available I could live with it...

skorff26 · Post #19 » by **skorff26** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:02 pm

I would look at something like Dallas 2010 1st and a player NJ wants to dump (maybe S. Williams) for C. Smith.

skorff26 · Post #20 » by **skorff26** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:02 pm

shrink wrote:
prefuse73 wrote:Boone and #11 for Smith + Mia Pick #18

We draft Harden and Lawson and call it day.

This makes the most sense to me. It works financially (Boone $2,056,968, Smith $2,300,000), and both players fit better on the other team. Dooling is a nice fit as a back-up for Devin Harris, and they have no real reason to want to pluck that last PG. From my view (and NJN fans may disagree), there isn't any huge seperation in talent between 11 and 18, just some more cash ($2 mil starting salary vs $1.2). If they want the BOS pick, I don't mind tossing it in, but if there's a gap (I'm not sure there is), cash might be better for both teams. NJN might just sell the #28 -- but so could we.

sign me up for this one as well.