PG situational stats

Post #1 » by **revprodeji** » Sat May 9, 2009 11:29 pm

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Sit ... Crop-3209/

Being that we will try and grab a Pg with our pick or Miami's, I thought this post would be good.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #2 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:36 am

I read that earlier...nothing particularly surprising although Patrick Mills doesn't come out looking too good.

PeeDee · Post #3 » by **PeeDee** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:36 am

Interesting they put Evans on the PG list. Lot of people seem to think that won't be his position in the NBA.

Post #4 » by **revprodeji** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:38 am

It is the Evans issue. At the pg he is possible a special prospect. As a SG he is not.

southern wolf · Post #5 » by **southern wolf** » Sun May 10, 2009 3:50 am

I didn't know Mills was struggling that much. Hopefully he can still squeeze into the first round.

Rubio looks VERY skinny in that pic, he doesn't look 180 pounds.

AQuintus · Post #6 » by **AQuintus** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:47 am

Draftexpress wrote: Holiday has the lowest usage of any NCAA player on our list at 9.7 possessions per game.

This really stood out to me. I knew that Holiday was painfully underused at UCLA, but for a guy who was universally considered a top five recruit to be used so little is inexcusable.

john2jer · Post #7 » by **john2jer** » Sun May 10, 2009 5:35 am

How does Tyreke Evans compare to Dwayne Wade when Wade came out? Kind of similar, aren't they? I mean, obviously Dwayne Wade is an all-world NBAer now, but there were a few questions about him when he came out. He was thought to be a big point guard at one point, and people questioned his shooting.

Post #8 » by **revprodeji** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:52 am

Interesting J2j. I think the difference would be in how Wade led the team, but there is no way of knowing if Evans could have done the same in time.

AQuintus wrote:
Draftexpress wrote: Holiday has the lowest usage of any NCAA player on our list at 9.7 possessions per game.

This really stood out to me. I knew that Holiday was painfully underused at UCLA, but for a guy who was universally considered a top five recruit to be used so little is inexcusable.

Not just underused, but misused. As an off-guard in spot up situations. Holiday will be the surprise this year. His defensive skills, athletic ability and BBIQ are crazy....and he is the one thing Watters and I agree on.

john2jer · Post #9 » by **john2jer** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:51 am

Watters and rev agreeing could have the potential of ripping a hole in the space-time continuum. Please change your mind, ASAP.

Evans was just a Freshman and Wade came out as a Junior, right?

I know the outside shooting would be poor, but how about a Evans/Holiday draft. That would be a Dwayne Wade and Russell Westbrook backcourt. Beef Brewer up so he becomes Scottie Pippen, and work on his outside shot, and move him permanently to SF.

Then make a trade:

Wolves get: Richard Jefferson and #10
Bucks get: Brian Cardinal, Mark Madsen, and Craig Smith

C - Jefferson/Mullens(#18)
PF - Love/Gomes
SF - Jefferson/Brewer
SG - Evans(#5)/Miller
PG - Holiday(#10)/Foye

Draft Omri Casspi with the #28 pick and stash him for a year.

Zeitgeister · Post #10 » by **Zeitgeister** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:50 am

AQuintus wrote:
Draftexpress wrote: Holiday has the lowest usage of any NCAA player on our list at 9.7 possessions per game.

This really stood out to me. I knew that Holiday was painfully underused at UCLA, but for a guy who was universally considered a top five recruit to be used so little is inexcusable.

I'm not surprised by that at all. People like to compare his stats to everyone else, but if you watch the games he just didn't have the ball in his hands near as often as many of the other guys. I guarantee he'd put up good stats playing in Conference USA on Memphis' team.

A DeRozan/Holiday draft would be a dream for me.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #11 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sun May 10, 2009 11:46 am

or else Harden/Holiday...or better yet, Harden/trade up for Lawson

I wouldn't mind Holiday post lottery I suppose, still kind of hard to stomach his weak #'s and quotes about how NBA is going to be more fun than college because college is all about defense

ChazzleDazzle · Post #12 » by **ChazzleDazzle** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:44 pm

Makes me wonder whether Jonny Flynn might not be a great target for this team. With his speed and the hand check rules... Honestly, it would be even better if the trade for Hinrich did go down--they could compliment one another really well. I could be pretty happy with a backcourt rotation of Hinrich, Flynn, Foye, Miller, Brewer, and Carney.

Jonathan Watters · Post #13 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:46 pm

Zeitgeister wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
Draftexpress wrote: Holiday has the lowest usage of any NCAA player on our list at 9.7 possessions per game.

This really stood out to me. I knew that Holiday was painfully underused at UCLA, but for a guy who was universally considered a top five recruit to be used so little is inexcusable.

I'm not surprised by that at all. People like to compare his stats to everyone else, but if you watch the games he just didn't have the ball in his hands near as often as many of the other guys. I guarantee he'd put up good stats playing in Conference USA on Memphis' team.

Standing around watching Darren Collison dribble out the shot clock isn't a role that leads to eye-popping stats.

As good a coach as Ben Howland is, he really screwed himself, his team and his program on this one. The Holiday situation should give any big time prospect reason to think long and hard before committing to UCLA...

Devilzsidewalk · Post #14 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:24 am

they had no offensive identity, Love to Aboya is a big offensive downgrade, they should've played Gordon some more to get some offensive in the paint. Then Collison can be more of a shooter, Holiday can push the ball and feed the post

GopherIt! · Post #15 » by **GopherIt!** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:01 am

^
Push the ball and feed the post?

When I was a kid we had to push the feed and post the ball.

jgozalb · Post #16 » by **jgozalb** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:06 pm

Rickys last game stats

16 pts
10 assist
5 rbs
6 steals in 31 minutes.

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1810

BTW Ricky was 1st overall in steals and assist for the whole year in the ACB.

Jonathan Watters · Post #17 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:40 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:they had no offensive identity, Love to Aboya is a big offensive downgrade, they should've played Gordon some more to get some offensive in the paint. Then Collison can be more of a shooter, Holiday can push the ball and feed the post

Howland will never be an up tempo coach, it just isn't his way.

But they didn't run a play for anyone other than Collison (dribble out the shot clock) or Shipp (come off a screen and shoot a contested 3) all year. Pretty embarrassing for everybody involved, considering the talent on the UCLA roster that got to watch the disaster unfold...

john2jer · Post #18 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:05 pm

Soon enough we'll be pushing the post and feeding the ball.

the_bruce · Post #19 » by **the_bruce** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:43 pm

A holiday + derozan draft 4tw

john2jer · Post #20 » by **john2jer** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:41 pm

Jonathan Watters wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:they had no offensive identity, Love to Aboya is a big offensive downgrade, they should've played Gordon some more to get some offensive in the paint. Then Collison can be more of a shooter, Holiday can push the ball and feed the post

Howland will never be an up tempo coach, it just isn't his way.

But they didn't run a play for anyone other than Collison (dribble out the shot clock) or Shipp (come off a screen and shoot a contested 3) all year. Pretty embarrassing for everybody involved, considering the talent on the UCLA roster that got to watch the disaster unfold...

Howland's a solid coach, but it frustrates me watching coaches force his players to play his way, to the detriment of the team. A great coach can take the talent he has and build a system that best rbings out their strengths. To see talent wasted just drives me nuts.