MN - NJ

the_bruce · Post #1 » by **the_bruce** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:43 pm

With Jefferson out I think we'd have some minutes for another and more athletic style big on the team. Yi's game is more faceup and I think he could work the 3 in a similar way to KG did in his early days. McHale is a great big man mentor and could probably get more out of Yi than most. Plus the global marketing aspect alone may be worth a looksie. MN is also an overlooked asian market and Yi presence could help in drawing more fans to the target center.

Idea 1:
Smith + 28 for Yi

Smith would be a good fit next to lopez.

Idea 2:
Smith + Foye + 28 for Yi + Williams + 11

Foye goes back east and Carter/Harris would be solid compliments to his game. Williams would get minutes with Al out and would be the athletic shotblocking presence 3rd man next to Al/Love. MN would need to reload its guard rotation with Foye gone and @11 MN could get a solid piece. Assuming Harden falls to MN @ 5, theres a decent chance that one of Derozan, Curry, Evans, or Lawson fall to 11.

Al\Williams
Love
Yi
Harden/Brewer
Lawson/holiday @18

I certainly do trade 2 if Lawson or Curry is on the board.

B Calrissian · Post #2 » by **B Calrissian** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:46 pm

Didn't Yi refuse to workout for the Wolves?
I would the first trade but not the second.

john2jer · Post #3 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:47 pm

Williams is garbage, and likely won't ever be anything than a 12th man or D-League all-star, but I like the idea of getting #11. Maybe we get CDR and add in #18 instead of #28?

Smith, Foye, and #18 for Yi, CDR, and #11?

the_bruce · Post #4 » by **the_bruce** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:55 pm

john2jer wrote:Williams is garbage, and likely won't ever be anything than a 12th man or D-League all-star, but I like the idea of getting #11. Maybe we get CDR and add in #18 instead of #28?

Smith, Foye, and #18 for Yi, CDR, and #11?

Williams is a toss in to match salaries, but he could provide some value. He did play very well for a stint when Kidd was still running the show in NJ. He would merely be a low risk, high reward stop gap for a season. The worst that happens is he sits on the bench, the best is he plays well and raises his value. Meh CDR. Williams would need to be included to match salaries in the above trade I think and that wouldn't be a deal breaker for NJ I believe.

Smith, Foye, and #18 for Yi, CDR, Williams, and #11

john2jer · Post #5 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:17 pm

That works for me then. I've just heard their high on CDR.

Post #6 » by **revprodeji** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:22 pm

idea 1 works, idea 2 is horrible. Foye has much greater value than williams.

GopherIt! · Post #7 » by **GopherIt!** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:25 pm

not a fan of Yi. There are some interesting options at 28 for us.

Now if we could turn Foye into Curry, Henderson, Maynor or Lawson I would have to think about that.

Foye + Brown for #10 & Ridnour might please Bucks fans.

Winter Wonder · Post #8 » by **Winter Wonder** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:25 pm

I would be interested, but Yi does look like he needs to be motivated. Would we have the personal (coaching and teammates) and/or location that would do that for him?

He does have an interesting combination of skillset and size/length. I would do the first fairly quickly due to fits and such, not the second. Yi guarding other 3's though, that sounds scarey!

B Calrissian · Post #9 » by **B Calrissian** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:29 pm

GopherIt! wrote:Foye + Brown for #10 & Ridnour might please Bucks fans.

That deal would do more than please Bucks fans. I would do it if it was Telfair/Brown for 10/Ridnour. I don't think there would be enough money to sign all the picks tho so maybe 28 could be added.

GopherIt! · Post #10 » by **GopherIt!** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:33 pm

I think they would expectt the #18 in return

(the mutually accepted deal from the trade board was Smith, Bassy & #18 for Ridnour & #10.)

john2jer · Post #11 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:35 pm

GopherIt! wrote:I think they would expectt the #18 in return

(the mutually accepted deal from the trade board was Smith, Bassy & #18 for Ridnour & #10.)

I love that trade. Means a potential for a Harden/Evans draft, and I think those two would be beautiful together.

B Calrissian · Post #12 » by **B Calrissian** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:39 pm

That is probably true. They are saving more money getting Telfair/Brown in return compared to Smith/Telfair but Smith has more value than Brown so it might even out.

I just don't think the Wolves should have to take on salary to swap Foye for #10. But as I mentioned in another thread I don't know what pick Foye is worth.

jvcn15 · Post #13 » by **jvcn15** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:40 pm

As an NJ fan, I really like the sound of Smith next to Brook. How is Craig's jumpshot from midrange? Assuming Brook eventually gets more post ups down low, I'd like our PF to at least need to keep the defense honest and keep the floor spaced.

Also, NJ is in need of a 3rd string PG. Also, a simple swap of Craig for Yi does not work, I don't think. Would you be opposed to adding Brown to the first idea? Smith+Brown+28 for Yi? On a sidenote, what do you guys think of Brown?

Honestly, I'd even do the trade without the pick, but I am pretty low on Yi atm.

john2jer · Post #14 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:43 pm

Smith and Brown for Yi without the pick? I'd do that pretty easily. We need to consolidate some of our talent.

Smith has been working on his range, and it's definitely increased. He'd keep defenses honest.

Winter Wonder · Post #15 » by **Winter Wonder** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:51 pm

Agree with j2j on that if we add brown with smith that more value has to come from nj if the pick is included. If the picks drop, no worries. Picks included would mean at least a 2010 2nd I believe and I may ask for that regardless.

john2jer · Post #16 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Smith, Brown, and #28 for Yi and a future 2nd.

We add a 7-foot point guard who can block shots, paint the ceiling, and make some tasty egg rolls, plus we cut a roster spot, and have one less rookie in camp to nurture.

Of course here comes the logic that kills the deal, with Brown anyways. Brown can't pick up his option until July 1st, I believe. The draft is before then. Therefore we're talking about picking for the Nets, and completing the trade a week later.

Winter Wonder · Post #17 » by **Winter Wonder** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:06 pm

*shakes his fist* Dang you logic and your evil timeline of player options and the draft! Dang you to hell...

john2jer · Post #18 » by **john2jer** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:15 pm

heck, WW, heck. This is a family place.

Steve_Holiday · Post #19 » by **Steve_Holiday** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:00 pm

Throwing away Foye for another pick this year is a terrible idea.

Despite his flaws, he's still probably the 6th best player in his draft class...why trade him for the 10th or 11th spot in THIS draft, especially when the team has plenty of picks already?

the_bruce · Post #20 » by **the_bruce** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:32 pm

Don't get me wrong I like Foye, imo a 20\5\5 potential guy. That being said I could swap him for a Curry, Evans, Derozan, or Lawson I'd do it in a second. As would fit into roles on the wolves, Foye needs more consistency in his role on the wolves. Also, Something you can't overlook is Foyes cap hold in 2010. It will be time to reup him when we have some dollars to spend in the FA market and while we either get him at a decent price because he underperforms or are forced into a potential bidding war depending on how this season goes for him.

The addition of williams and\or CDR should not be overlooked. Both of those guys could fill roles on the wolves as well. How would Love\Al look next to an athletic shot blocking monster? Maybe williams continues his meh behavior or maybe he straightens out. CDR is a free look at a 2 guard who probably should have been an easy 1st rounder last season.

The craig smith deal is a no brainer for both teams.