WAS-MIN Redux

[shrink]

I'm just curious if you guys would still do this for the #5 in a weaker draft?

WAS GETS: Mike Miller + Telfair + Bobby Brown + $2.25 mil TPE
MIN GETS : Etan Thomas + Pecherov + Mike James + #5

I ran some more numbers, and this maximizes the WAS savings and balances the roster. MIN takes back $16.49, and with Etan's trade kicker, adds $16.47, so it maximizes the TPE. This saves $2.25 mil in 2009, and removes the $3.16 from their pick. Since both would be doubled, it saves Abe Pollin almost $11 mil.

Mike Miller provides a team-first, "do-everything" SG that won't mess up their current scoring, and Telfair provides a more financially responsible back-up to Gilbert Arenas. WAS has Blatche and Javale McGee to help Haywood and Jamison, and they'd probably get O Pech's minutes anyway.

For us, we add $2.25 mil of salary this year, but the incoming players are all expirings, so we actually increase our 2010 cap space by moving the reasonably priced Telfair. We'd actually have some use for Etan and maybe even OPech. I imagine swapping Mike James in a future trade with MIL for Luke Ridnour; both have similar expiring deals.

[the_bruce]

Meh I think this deal favors MN a bit to much. I think you either need to increase the tpe or include other better player fits.

I think this deal is fair.

WAS GETS: Mike Miller + Gomes + Madsen + 3m
MIN GETS : Etan Thomas + Mike James + Stevenson + #5

I'd rather have the #5 & #6 than the #2. If the FO can make a deal for the wiz pick around this sort of value package. Then I'd be thrilled.

[karch34]

I like Shrink's a lot more as it doesn't have us giving up Gomes. I'd rather throw in Smith and either 28 or Utah pick next year if you're talking about value being added.

But yes, I'd be happy to use Miller as a key piece to get #5 from Washington.

[Krapinsky]

This just doesn't seem realistic. Memphis would be better off trading Etan Thomas and the #5 pick for raw cap space to a team under the cap. I don't think a team would turn that down.

[karch34]

Yeah, but Washington is still in a win-now mode with Arenas, Butler, and Jamison. So trading #5 for the space doesn't really fit the plan.

[the_bruce]

A healthy WAS team lineup is very solid. I think they would rather get solid talent and be over the lux this season then a simple dump where they get no talent back. They want a SG.

I like shrinks version more too, but I don't think it is very realistic. Top 5 pick for Miller? come on! My version does send out gomes, but he is far more useful to a contending WAS team then us. Its not like we will pick up his option anyway? Stevenson's extra cash is sucky, but its a modest amount.

My MN essentially gives:
Very solid SG that fits needs
A solid bench roleplayer @ the 3/4 that fits with the current front court
some cap space it wasnt going to use anyway
Some cash (debatable if this is necessary, i just figured madsen buyout?)
4.1 in 2010 cap money

...and we could get back a very solid long term building block

[shrink]

Well, its quite possible that I just have a lesser view of the #5 pick in this weaker draft. It seems to me like you're only getting a promising prospect. I think I'm going to start another thread on this, here and on the trade board, which should be interesting.

I think Gomes and Telfair have similar values, because Telfair is cheaper. Stevenson can play a little - he seems like he'd be a better fit elsewhere, particularly with that extra year that cuts into our valuable 2010 cap space.

[PeeDee]

Top 5 pick for Miller? come on!

This is viewed as a weak draft and talented big expirings are like gold right now. I don't think it's that far off.

To be honest though, I'd rather try to move up from 18 (if we have to) to grab our choice of PG. I mean, who do you take @ 5 and 6?

[the_bruce]

Top 5 pick for Miller? come on!

This is viewed as a weak draft and talented big expirings are like gold right now. I don't think it's that far off.

To be honest though, I'd rather try to move up from 18 (if we have to) to grab our choice of PG. I mean, who do you take @ 5 and 6?

The view that this draft is weak is overblown. I'd say it's guard/wing heavy and that's what we need. I like Derozan, Harden, and evans way more than a typical pick in the 5-10 range. Even the 10-18 range there appears to be very solid value guys with huge upside. Teague, Lawson, Mullens, Holiday.

As for my revised offer. I don't think a better offer can be found. It fits all WAS immediate needs and long term needs as well.

I take 2 of Derozan evans harden curry!

[shrink]

Also, its more than #5 for Miller.

WAS gets a useful and well-priced Telfair for James, they move Etan, their #1 goal, and most importantly, save almost $11 mil.

To me, it depends more on whether the frail Pollin is serious about trying to compete this year. Miller is a perfect fit for them, as a starting SG and back-up SF, and a guy that won't disrupt the apple-cart with their other three big scorers. Stevenson is modestly overpaid, but he'd be effective as a back-up as well.

[Winter Wonder]

I think Gomes and Telfair have similar values, because Telfair is cheaper.

I realize the term "similar" can be subjective, but even with salary considerations, I can't see Telfair being near as valuable around the league as Gomes is. For MN, they are closer in value due to the wolves' PG needs/issues, but around the league, Gomes is a much more solid rotation guy and Telfair, I think, would struggle to get minutes. This would, in my estimation, negate the salary benefit of Telfair's contract.

I am probably just nit-picking here, but in regards to bang for buck, I feel Gomes is quite a bit ahead of Telfair.

[prefuse73]

mehhh.

If Etan Thomas is healthy and can actually play, then this deal maybe works. I think we should replace perchov (spelling) with McGee. I would gladly add Smith and the #28 to get this done.

Again, I would not trade Miller without a legit C of some sore coming back. He is our best piece to get that done.

With our pick(s) I say we still swing for the fences on potential. Hopefully Thabeet falls, but more than likely, I would roll the dice on Jennings, DeRozan and go for Mullens at 18. Whats my theme this year... Prototypical... We would really be hoping that Gomes develops his 3-ball further and Love becomes money from 15 to 20 ft which I think is possible this year because Jennings and DeRozan are not exactly going to light it up from outside.


Until Jefferson is back...

McGee - Mullens
Love - Thomas
Gomes - Brewer
Derozan - Foye - Carney
Jennings - Foye

Look at that... Legit size and athleticism at each position

[shrink]

WW, at $2.5, I think Telfair is a legit back-up PG for anyone. At $4.0, Gomes is a legit back-up SF-PF for anyone. Gomes is better, but is he 50% better? ::shrug::

prefuse, I agree with you that I also really like Javale McGee. Unfortunately, so do the Wizards, and I don't think we'd be able to pry him loose.

[Howler21]

If we were able to put that sort of package together could #5 and #6 (filler) get us Rubio and Jaric (yeah...i said it) ?

[the_bruce]

Gomes is better, but is he 50% better? ::shrug::
.

Gomes is 50% better. If a team competing for the playoffs is forced to use Bassy as starter PG when their starter goes down for 20 games. They are pissed.

If same thing happens to whoever starts in front of gomes they hardly miss a beat.

[wolves_fan_82au]

as long as we get either haywood or thomas im happy ive always liekd both these guys

[Carpe Diem]

Shrink's original idea comes down to the $11 million in savings and whether or not Pollan wants that more than anything else. He very well may, these are trying economic times.

MN has a very interesting situation (money, flexibility, multiple picks) although it is not so interesting as to be able to get a Real GM. Some of the "tweaks" (not the first one) border on wet dream insanity. Washington appears to want to move the pick, but try to keep it real.