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Assuming Memphis takes Thabeet, now that we have the #5, OKC makes a great trade partner for us.

If Harden is OKC's guy, which many believe, it seems like a pretty sure thing that Sacremento will not take Harden. Thus, under this scenario we should be able to leapfrog Sacremento using the #5 without giving up too much.

Would #5 + Pekovic be enough?

imo yes that should be enough. shedding 600k a year in rookie scale contract and picking up the player you wanted anyway is a no brainer.

I think that's more than fair, but it really depends what teams like the Knicks would offer.

This might be a great idea...if Memphis grabs Rubio, we take Thabeet. Jefferson gets to play his natural position, we get tougher inside, etc. If Memphis takes Thabeet (more likely) we get Rubio.

Would #5 + Pekovic be enough? a simple no.

Not enough for OKC to pull the trigger, discussions with Presti would start with the 5th and 6th and you have to factor what kings and knicks would also offer.Maybe the 5th and 6th for OKC 3rd and 25th picks will do it.But this is assuming Rubio doesnt get picked by Memphis.If Rubios your man I think you might have to overpay or stick with who drops to 5 and 6.Griffin,Rubio,and Harden will be gone though with either Thabeet or Curry .So leaves you a choice Thabeet or Curry whoevers avaliable then you have a choice of the likes of Hill,Evans,Holliday,Jennings or Henderson.Really depends what the wolves front office wants.

The 5th and 6th...as almost everybody has stated is not worth jumping four spots in this draft, it's not really even worth it to move down to the first if that was even offered considering who we have at PF. If we give up the 5 and 6 to whoever, either Memphis and OKC....the 2/3 plus a player is coming back. There's just no plausible way that a deal without another play is okay in my mind. 2/Gay/Jaric for 5/6/???

london sonic wrote:Would #5 + Pekovic be enough? a simple no.

Not enough for OKC to pull the trigger, discussions with Presti would start with the 5th and 6th and you have to factor what kings and knicks would also offer.Maybe the 5th and 6th for OKC 3rd and 25th picks will do it.But this is assuming Rubio doesnt get picked by Memphis.If Rubios your man I think you might have to overpay or stick with who drops to 5 and 6.Griffin,Rubio,and Harden will be gone though with either Thabeet or Curry .So leaves you a choice Thabeet or Curry whoevers avaliable then you have a choice of the likes of Hill,Evans,Holliday,Jennings or Henderson.Really depends what the wolves front office wants.

Am I missing something here?

A) Presti wants Harden at #3

B) Without a trade, Presti takes Harden, Rubio falls to Sacremento

C) Kahn calls Presti, says, "Take Rubio, and I'll give you Harden, plus some incentive"

D) Kahn trades Harden (Your starting SG) + Pekovic (Your future starting C) for Rubio

E) You get the player you were going to draft, but you 1) save $ by falling back a few spots and 2) get you future starting center.

Conclusion: This is a bad deal for OKC somehow?

On paper it is not a bad deal for OKC. But what it is is fraught with danger.

You're thinking is badly flawed because you think that Sacramento is just going to stand pat after getting screwed out of Rubio and with Harden sitting there. Even if they don't want him, and personally I don't see how they could pass, the rest of the league is sitting behind them itching to move up to take the last of the available blue chip prospects. Sacto wouldn't take it laying down. GSW would be more than happy to hand over #7 and Brandon Wright or some other piece for Harden and then OKC would be left holding the bag. Maybe you could then hand over Love and your unprotected 1st next season for Rubio or something like that but it would be chaos.

In short, way too risky for OKC.

With the pick-up of Thomas, Perc & Songalia Is Love gone to Grizz or OKC? That would be drastic overhaul #2 #5 #6

by Dr.Krapinsky

Am I missing something here?

A) Presti wants Harden at #3

B) Without a trade, Presti takes Harden, Rubio falls to Sacremento

C) Kahn calls Presti, says, "Take Rubio, and I'll give you Harden, plus some incentive"

D) Kahn trades Harden (Your starting SG) + Pekovic (Your future starting C) for Rubio

E) You get the player you were going to draft, but you 1) save $ by falling back a few spots and 2) get you future starting center.

Conclusion: This is a bad deal for OKC somehow?

Think you are !!!

A.Presti wants Harden? first of all does anybody know what Presti is thinking he one of the most savvy gms in the league and the only player he 100% picks is Griffin you shouldnt think Hardens their man.
B.Wrong again if Rubios at 3 Presti picks him keeps him or shops around for best deal and pretty sure theres much better offers than Petkovic.
C.Kahn can suggest that but Presti will come back with discussion on 5th and 6th pick or Love to start negotiations.
D.Petkovic our future starting center I dont think so.If hes so good why dont the Wolves keep him as dont you need a future starting center also.
E.Again is Harden Presti's choice I dont know and all the experts dont know.

Overall if Rubios avaliable and if OKC want to trade him and thats not a given considering no one knows who OKC/Presti wants it will not be for the 5th and Petkovic.This draft is considered a 2 man draft would you have got Beasley last year for the 5th and Petkovic I dont think so.

Its simple as that really.

Anyway Rubio will be picked by Memphis maybe you can offer Petkovic and the 5th to them,pretty sure youre also get shot down again.

D.Petkovic our future starting center I dont think so.If hes so good why dont the Wolves keep him as dont you need a future starting center also.

Pekovic is a very good starting caliber center without his euro contract status last year he would have been an easy lotto pick by all accounts, and it's entirely the reason he slipped to the 2nd rnd. The problem is he replicates what Al Jefferson already does on the wolves. He's a typical back to the basket center with good rebounding and a solid mid range game. He doesn't hold much value to the wolves because of this replication factor. Another team however without a legit 4/5(like mem\okc) combo would get a MASSIVE upgrade by taking 2 capable starting caliber players(hill\pek) for 1 player like rubio.

It's frustrating when fans from other teams talk out their @ss about Pekovic. They just assume he's some crappy good-for-nothing faceless Euro. THE ALL EUROLEAGE FIRST TEAM CENTER. Yeah, he's pretty good, but is a bad fit for the Wolves.

london sonic wrote:Would #5 + Pekovic be enough? a simple no.

Not enough for OKC to pull the trigger, discussions with Presti would start with the 5th and 6th and you have to factor what kings and knicks would also offer.Maybe the 5th and 6th for OKC 3rd and 25th picks will do it.But this is assuming Rubio doesnt get picked by Memphis.If Rubios your man I think you might have to overpay or stick with who drops to 5 and 6.Griffin,Rubio,and Harden will be gone though with either Thabeet or Curry .So leaves you a choice Thabeet or Curry whoevers avaliable then you have a choice of the likes of Hill,Evans,Holliday,Jennings or Henderson.Really depends what the wolves front office wants.

Since when did two top 6 picks become the STARTING POINT for discussions for moving up in the draft?

The Bulls got Viktor freaking Khryapa from the Blazers when they swapped picks. Now you get our pick and another high pick?!?

Whoa

london sonic wrote:Would #5 + Pekovic be enough? a simple no.

Not enough for OKC to pull the trigger, discussions with Presti would start with the 5th and 6th and you have to factor what kings and knicks would also offer.Maybe the 5th and 6th for OKC 3rd and 25th picks will do it..

Enough from you.

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:Assuming Memphis takes Thabeet, now that we have the #5, OKC makes a great trade partner for us.

If Harden is OKC's guy, which many believe, it seems like a pretty sure thing that Sacremento will not take Harden. Thus, under this scenario we should be able to leapfrog Sacremento using the #5 without giving up too much.

Would #5 + Pekovic be enough?

Not enough IMO. We don't even know who the Thunder like the most anyways. All the rumors have them liking Thabeet/Rubio/Harden/Curry with no clear cut leader.

dre_1614 wrote:

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:Assuming Memphis takes Thabeet, now that we have the #5, OKC makes a great trade partner for us.

If Harden is OKC's guy, which many believe, it seems like a pretty sure thing that Sacremento will not take Harden. Thus, under this scenario we should be able to leapfrog Sacremento using the #5 without giving up too much.

Would #5 + Pekovic be enough?

Not enough IMO. We don't even know who the Thunder like the most anyways. All the rumors have them liking Thabeet/Rubio/Harden/Curry with no clear cut leader.

And to address your first point. Those in the know, know that if Pekovic were in the draft this year he would be a late lottery pick. He's worth more than the #18, so OKC would have it's option b/t the two.

Now this is becoming a straight out PEKOVIC thread. I mean seriously! There are a handful of teams that hold nba rights to an overseas prospect. here, just to name a few: Tiago Splitter(spurs),Serge Ibaka(OKC), Fran Vasquez(Magic),Omer Asik(Bulls), and I bet you each and everyone of these prospects have their very own fans, like you guys, raving about them. So lets stay away from the "homer" opinions. As mentioned, this is a 2 man draft(talent wise), Blake and Rubio. Im not saying Rubio is better than Harden but as for the Drafting standpoint its a 2 man draft. If it weren't for Memphis' bad rep. from Pau Gasol, Navarro and even Ricky's agent then Rubio would be grabbed and #2 with no questions asked. Back to the point of this being a 2 man draft!!! So if somehow Ricky slips to #3 then that #3 pick has more value than the Wolves #5 and Pekovic.

Durantist wrote:Now this is becoming a straight out PEKOVIC thread. I mean seriously! There are a handful of teams that hold nba rights to an overseas prospect. here, just to name a few: Tiago Splitter(spurs),Serge Ibaka(OKC), Fran Vasquez(Magic),Omer Asik(Bulls), and I bet you each and everyone of these prospects have their very own fans, like you guys, raving about them. So lets stay away from the "homer" opinions. As mentioned, this is a 2 man draft(talent wise), Blake and Rubio. Im not saying Rubio is better than Harden but as for the Drafting standpoint its a 2 man draft. If it weren't for Memphis' bad rep. from Pau Gasol, Navarro and even Ricky's agent then Rubio would be grabbed and #2 with no questions asked. Back to the point of this being a 2 man draft!!! So if somehow Ricky slips to #3 then that #3 pick has more value than the Wolves #5 and Pekovic.

actuallyno one knows if this is gonna be a good draft or not ,

people said last years draft was weak ,how wrong these scouts were

Durantist wrote: As mentioned, this is a 2 man draft(talent wise), Blake and Rubio. Im not saying Rubio is better than Harden but as for the Drafting standpoint its a 2 man draft.

If it were really a 2-man draft, your #3 wouldn't be worth beans.

This is a 1-man draft, and even Draft Express' most recent mock has Rubio slipping to #5.

With so many equivalents, there's no way any team would give you the #5 and #6 for #3.

thinkingwarriors wrote:On paper it is not a bad deal for OKC. But what it is is fraught with danger.

You're thinking is badly flawed because you think that Sacramento is just going to stand pat after getting screwed out of Rubio and with Harden sitting there. Even if they don't want him, and personally I don't see how they could pass, the rest of the league is sitting behind them itching to move up to take the last of the available blue chip prospects. Sacto wouldn't take it laying down. GSW would be more than happy to hand over #7 and Brandon Wright or some other piece for Harden and then OKC would be left holding the bag. Maybe you could then hand over Love and your unprotected 1st next season for Rubio or something like that but it would be chaos.

In short, way too risky for OKC.

Any trade that is done with Memphis or OKC will most likely not be announced till after both teams draft the players. So basically, it will be done the same way that the Marbury/Allen trade, Roy/Foye, or Love/Mayo trade happened. Make sure both parties got the player the other team wants then do the trade. Today however, Minnesota will be on the phones with most likely both Memphis and OKC and find out what pieces all need to be in place to pull the trigger after the picks have been made.

Otherwise I agree if the trade happened today for those picks OKC or Memphis could get screwed with the guy they are in favor of.