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Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:36 am
by Dantares
Hey guys, I translated the article myself for you guys. I did the best I could, but some things could have been lost in translation.

MANY FACTORS INTERVENED IN THE SELECTION OF RICKY AT NUMBER FIVE. MEANWHILE, HE NOW NEGOTIATES WITH NEW YORK
Why Ricky Rubio fell to number five and how he negotiates with New York

Ricky negotiates to leave Minnesota in a 'sign an trade'. The Wolves picked him knowing that he did not want to play there. His ideal destination would be New York, with who he now negotiates. The negotiations with "la Penya" to reduce his contract keep advancing.

BY QUINQUE PEINADO

In these moments, Ricky Rubio is still in New York negotiating an exit to his future. He has it clear: he will not play in Minnesota (he left undeniable signals the night of the draft, like when they asked him for his preferences and while he praised Oklahoma or Sacramento, of Minnesota he only said that it was "very cold") and is working to leave. Where? That is the question.

According to sources lose to the player and the NBA, Minnesota already knew that Ricky would not play there when they picked him. The act of him falling to number five authorized the Wolves to pick a player with great value in the market, with to make a "sign and trade" with another team to obtain a veteran player. With this option, the Spanish player will have a lot to say about his future.

The ideal scenario, and MARCA.com can confirm that it is being negotiated, is making a transfer to New York. David Lee and Nate Robinson (both finish contract, but we would also be talking about a situation of 'sign and trade') seem to be the trade pieces most probable. The Wolves have covered their backs in their space of security with the selection of Johnny Flynn at six, so a point guard is not their priority. The declarations by their general manager David Kahn, in which he says that his interest is to play Flynn and Ricky together, are nothing more than market strategies. They have no basketball sense.

Another example of the divorce of Ricky with Minnesota is that the Spanish player will not be in the traditional cycle of press that the other Draft selections give in the city of origin of the franchise. Johnny Flynn and Wayne Ellington will be there, but no Ricky. Symptomatic.

¿Why at five?
Ricky, like he himself declared, was very excited with going to Sacramento. It was the only franchise that he visited and that he made a soft workout. Why did he not go there? In first place, some sources point that his premier (individual, without companions) was not all that satisfactory, and they considered a risky option his selection.

First, for his financial instability: no one knows what will happen with his clause, and during the afternoon prior to the draft, many American lawyers, in representation with different franchises, consulted expert Spanish lawyers in sports rights/laws over a possible civil subsidiary responsibility of the NBA clubs in the hypothetical litigation between the player and "la Penya"

And second, because the Kings' general manager, the veteran Geoff Petrie (14 seasons in charge) finishes his contract this season. A guy who just made a risky move with coach Paul Westphal could not allow for the number four pick not to come to the NBA or give economic troubles. There were too many risks involved with Petrie's job at stake.

Objective NBA
Right now, though Ricky and his group had talked about coming back to Europe (an evident opinion, and there he will enter his situation with "La Penya", the efforts that they wanted to make for him the big European Clubs) the reality is that his first objective still is playing in the NBA next year. And all those efforts from his agent Dan Fegan center in New York.

His salary, approximately 2.2 million euros for 2 years guaranteed is not not enough to pay the buyout of 4.7 million euros that, don't we foget, in the 1st of July comes up to be 6 million euros. As confirmed by his own father to MARCA.com, the agreement with DKV Joventut is a more than feasible possiility, and the agreements are close. Up to what will la Penya lower the buyout? That is the question, but it seems very unlikely that it will go under the four million euros. A very informed source estimades his debt with Hacienda at six million euros.

Many things to close: acquire the pass to New York, reduce the buyout, make for everything to square away, and the limit is the 30th of June, when his buyout amount becomes more prohibitive.


David Lee and Wilson Chandler is basically two top 10 lottery picks, its good value. Love and Jefferson can't play 48 minutes a game each. Even if Minny doesn't want Lee then using Lee in a 3-way trade could net the Wolves something good too, the guy averaged 16/12 on 56% shooting last year and led the league in double-doubles.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:39 am
by DocZaius
Qué?

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:40 am
by Krapinsky
Where's a MOD.

Can we lock some of these?

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:41 am
by jack612
lol@Knicks fans

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:43 am
by Dantares
Where's a MOD.

Can we lock some of these?



Lock a tranlastion from a spanish newspaper? This gives us more insight on what Rubio and his agent are thinking right now.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:45 am
by DocZaius
Dantares wrote:
Where's a MOD.

Can we lock some of these?



Lock a tranlastion from a spanish newspaper? This gives us more insight on what Rubio and his agent are thinking right now.



NVM I'll do it myself

http://www.marca.com/2009/06/26/balonce ... 40526.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 26hs%3Dkde

It's on Wiretap now too

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... ons_begin/


Don't shoot the messenger

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:48 am
by Krapinsky
Dantares wrote:
Where's a MOD.

Can we lock some of these?



Lock a tranlastion from a spanish newspaper? This gives us more insight on what Rubio and his agent are thinking right now.


We don't need 20 thread discussing the same thing.... it's annoying to have to juggle b/t 10 tabs all with overlapping Rubio talk

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:49 am
by GopherIt!
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:Where's a MOD.

Can we lock some of these?


I've been trying to get DCash and Bryant08 to help me for an hour.
Right now the mods are really letting us down.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:56 am
by 4ho5ive
Dantares wrote:
Hey guys, I translated the article myself for you guys. I did the best I could, but some things could have been lost in translation.

MANY FACTORS INTERVENED IN THE SELECTION OF RICKY AT NUMBER FIVE. MEANWHILE, HE NOW NEGOTIATES WITH NEW YORK
Why Ricky Rubio fell to number five and how he negotiates with New York

Ricky negotiates to leave Minnesota in a 'sign an trade'. The Wolves picked him knowing that he did not want to play there. His ideal destination would be New York, with who he now negotiates. The negotiations with "la Penya" to reduce his contract keep advancing.

BY QUINQUE PEINADO

In these moments, Ricky Rubio is still in New York negotiating an exit to his future. He has it clear: he will not play in Minnesota (he left undeniable signals the night of the draft, like when they asked him for his preferences and while he praised Oklahoma or Sacramento, of Minnesota he only said that it was "very cold") and is working to leave. Where? That is the question.

According to sources lose to the player and the NBA, Minnesota already knew that Ricky would not play there when they picked him. The act of him falling to number five authorized the Wolves to pick a player with great value in the market, with to make a "sign and trade" with another team to obtain a veteran player. With this option, the Spanish player will have a lot to say about his future.

The ideal scenario, and MARCA.com can confirm that it is being negotiated, is making a transfer to New York. David Lee and Nate Robinson (both finish contract, but we would also be talking about a situation of 'sign and trade') seem to be the trade pieces most probable. The Wolves have covered their backs in their space of security with the selection of Johnny Flynn at six, so a point guard is not their priority. The declarations by their general manager David Kahn, in which he says that his interest is to play Flynn and Ricky together, are nothing more than market strategies. They have no basketball sense.

Another example of the divorce of Ricky with Minnesota is that the Spanish player will not be in the traditional cycle of press that the other Draft selections give in the city of origin of the franchise. Johnny Flynn and Wayne Ellington will be there, but no Ricky. Symptomatic.

¿Why at five?
Ricky, like he himself declared, was very excited with going to Sacramento. It was the only franchise that he visited and that he made a soft workout. Why did he not go there? In first place, some sources point that his premier (individual, without companions) was not all that satisfactory, and they considered a risky option his selection.

First, for his financial instability: no one knows what will happen with his clause, and during the afternoon prior to the draft, many American lawyers, in representation with different franchises, consulted expert Spanish lawyers in sports rights/laws over a possible civil subsidiary responsibility of the NBA clubs in the hypothetical litigation between the player and "la Penya"

And second, because the Kings' general manager, the veteran Geoff Petrie (14 seasons in charge) finishes his contract this season. A guy who just made a risky move with coach Paul Westphal could not allow for the number four pick not to come to the NBA or give economic troubles. There were too many risks involved with Petrie's job at stake.

Objective NBA
Right now, though Ricky and his group had talked about coming back to Europe (an evident opinion, and there he will enter his situation with "La Penya", the efforts that they wanted to make for him the big European Clubs) the reality is that his first objective still is playing in the NBA next year. And all those efforts from his agent Dan Fegan center in New York.

His salary, approximately 2.2 million euros for 2 years guaranteed is not not enough to pay the buyout of 4.7 million euros that, don't we foget, in the 1st of July comes up to be 6 million euros. As confirmed by his own father to MARCA.com, the agreement with DKV Joventut is a more than feasible possiility, and the agreements are close. Up to what will la Penya lower the buyout? That is the question, but it seems very unlikely that it will go under the four million euros. A very informed source estimades his debt with Hacienda at six million euros.

Many things to close: acquire the pass to New York, reduce the buyout, make for everything to square away, and the limit is the 30th of June, when his buyout amount becomes more prohibitive.


David Lee and Wilson Chandler is basically two top 10 lottery picks...


And i am officially done with you sir.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:06 am
by big3_8_19_21
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-4 ... Poker.html

ESPN is reporting EXACTLY what I thought was going on (paraphrased):

Rubio's reluctance stems from the Flynn pick as well as the reduced pay that comes with being the 5th pick as compared to top 3, which is a concern with his looming buy-out and NOT from the city which selected him. He has no personal problems with the franchise and "cold" certainly is not a serious factor for him.

Market size doesn't matter due to his global appeal and being in the NBA helps him realize on and off the court star potential to market effectively.

NOBODY in any franchise believes Kahn intends on keeping both long term.

Kahn's leverage in trades is much better than most people would initially think because Rubio's value could increase when his buy out is finalized, his wrist is shown to be fully healed, or returns to Europe and shows improvement (especially w/ his shot) and Kahn doesn't need to trade Rubio as trading Flynn will also solve the problem, so it isn't a situation where he is forced to pull the trigger on a bad value deal. Also, list of suitors could change the longer Kahn waits.

Kahn is more than willing to wait as well, leaving Rubio overseas for a year or 2, so no hurry to make a bad trade.

A number of teams are hot for Rubio, obviously including the Knicks, but the Knicks also have little to offer that the Wolves would want.

The only thing that was forced on draft night was Kahn's selection of Rubio, once he fell to fifth, Kahn HAD to take him. There wasn't an option, he was just far too talented to pass on twice.
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So basically: I really doubt anything happens within the next few days and maybe not at all this off-season. Rubio has no problem at all with US, just that he slid a few picks more than he would have liked to because of financial reasons and with us immediately picking another player at his same position, and honestly who wouldn't be miffed by that? Kahn has great leverage in any trade discussions and will wait to make sure he does the right thing for the franchise, whether that's playing the two together in the short term, leaving Rubio overseas for a year or two, or trading one of the two point guards (but not rushing or forcing a trade).

That's not upsetting at all.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:11 am
by D1SGRUNTL3D
Lee and Wilson are basically top 10 picks lmfao.

So why do you want to trade them??

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:16 am
by Dantares
Lee and Wilson are basically top 10 picks lmfao.

So why do you want to trade them??


I'm confused. what are you guys talking about? Wilson almost got traded for the #5 pick. And David Lee is well you guys know about David Lee, he'll be a top 40 pick in your fantasy league next year.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:20 am
by big3_8_19_21
Here's the deal: David Lee is an even worse fit with our roster than Rubio is with Flynn. We already have a pair of highly talented 6'10" PFs, neither of which I would ever bench for Lee.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:22 am
by Cyborg21
You see, I'm confused. I thought the wolves owned his rights? how could the Knicks negotiate when he isn't there player? /sarcasm.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:23 am
by D1SGRUNTL3D
Dantares wrote:
Lee and Wilson are basically top 10 picks lmfao.

So why do you want to trade them??


I'm confused. what are you guys talking about? Wilson almost got traded for the #5 pick. And David Lee is well you guys know about David Lee, he'll be a top 40 pick in your fantasy league next year.

Chandler Wilson and what other army? I highly doubt Washington was goin to trade 5 straight up without unloading some contracts that would then harm your chances in next years FA.

And whats this almost crap. I bet Washingtons GM laughed at the Knicks offer. Just cause they were rumored to be in talks about obtaining it doesnt mean anything was a few I's dotted and T's crossed away.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:23 am
by younggunsmn
wilson couldn't even get you from 8 to 5 jackass.
lee has NO value to a capped-out team in a sign and trade because of the "make cap room for lebron" holy knick law. what did the sonics get for r. lewis in a s/t? a 2nd round pick? don't get your hopes up on that one.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:25 am
by Mattya
Dantares wrote:
Lee and Wilson are basically top 10 picks lmfao.

So why do you want to trade them??


I'm confused. what are you guys talking about? Wilson almost got traded for the #5 pick. And David Lee is well you guys know about David Lee, he'll be a top 40 pick in your fantasy league next year.


You can't honestly believe thats worth us giving up on Rubio? Even if he doesn't want to play here were not just going to spoon feed you to him, you have to offer good assest to get him. Why would we want David lee to play behind Big Al and K Love? The knicks have nothing the Wolves want maybe Wilson Chandler, expiring contracts, or some first round picks if you have them, even then idk.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:28 am
by deeney0

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:31 am
by Dantares
D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
Dantares wrote:
Lee and Wilson are basically top 10 picks lmfao.

So why do you want to trade them??


I'm confused. what are you guys talking about? Wilson almost got traded for the #5 pick. And David Lee is well you guys know about David Lee, he'll be a top 40 pick in your fantasy league next year.

Chandler Wilson and what other army? I highly doubt Washington was goin to trade 5 straight up without unloading some contracts that would then harm your chances in next years FA.

And whats this almost crap. I bet Washingtons GM laughed at the Knicks offer. Just cause they were rumored to be in talks about obtaining it doesnt mean anything was a few I's dotted and T's crossed away.


no they offered expirings and the Knicks turned it down. This was the offer.

In hindsight, the Knicks had some huge regrets Friday. Two weeks ago, they were convinced Rubio would be off the board at No. 5, leading them to turn down a deal that would have sent Larry Hughes and Chandler to Washington for Etan Thomas, Mike James, Oleksiy Pecherov and the No. 5 pick (New York would not have surrendered the eighth pick in that trade), and Washington ended up getting Miller and Foye for the pick.


and a 3-team trade would have to be made since the Wolves already have Love.

Re: Ricky Rubio negotiating with Knicks

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:32 am
by B Calrissian
deeney0 wrote:Use this: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=919088