The Official "Monday Morning Draft" Wolves GM Thread

Dan's with the Wolves · Post #1 » by **Dan's with the Wolves** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:28 pm

For all of those who think they could have done better than Kahn. Tell me what you would have done differently. A few simple rules:

1 No trades except for the 18th to Denver.

2 you can only draft player that were available at the Wolves picks.

To get it started, I'll throw out a scenario that I wouldn't have been disappointed in.

5 Flynn - a floor leader
6 Derozan - an athlete
18 Teague - microwave scoring off the bench ala Ben Gordon
28 Ellington - a shooter / finisher

starting 5
Jefferson - Low Post Scorer
Love Low - Post Defender
Derozan - Wing Defender
Ellington - Wing Shooter
Flynn - Floor Leader/Penetrator/ On Ball Defender

Teague off the bench for scoring

MINNY4LYFE · Post #2 » by **MINNY4LYFE** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:56 pm

Hard to disagree with that. I might of taken Flynn/Derozan/Maynor/S. Young

Post #3 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:01 pm

I would do the same.

****if there is not a trade****

My goal pre-draft was to have one of them Rubio/Harden/Thabeet with the fifth pick. Rubio fell out of that mix. So we grab him.

At 6 I would debate Flynn and Holiday. I personally like Holiday a lot, but our staff liked Flynn much more and felt he was more ready now, and was a better option w/o the ball. Which I would agree there. I knew pre-draft we had Flynn rated high and regardless of who we got with 5th Flynn was going to be our pick at the 6th spot. DeRozan does nothing for me.

trading the 18th for Char next year was a great pick. That was a steal. Next year is a very deep draft for the big guys and the wings. We could easily draft an Evan Turner with our pick and turn around and get a Alabi with the Char pick.

Ellington was a very good pick.

I like the draft. I personally think we are building for the future and Flynn and Rubio can coexist. Most teams have a 3 guard rotation with a 4th guard who scraps. Ellington is our scrap, Flynn and Rubio fill 2 spots and we add a Turner next year. I like it.

Krapinsky · Post #4 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:31 pm

I really can't argue with anything Kahn did, with two minor exceptions -- instead of the Calathes pick, I would have taken Danny Green and instead of the Norel pick I would have taken Gladyr.

At 5 I take Rubio. My excitement when he fell to 5 will probably never be matched.

At 6, I take Flynn, especially w/ 20-20 hindsight knowing we can get Ellington (shooter) and potentially Green. I like Derozan, but Flynn can be just as special, with less downside. Curry is the only other player that would get consideration, but I don't think he can defend 2's, or 1's as well as Flynn, so I am going to give the nod to Flynn for now.

At 18, I trade the pick. Without question. We got great value and #18 pick in weak drafts probably do not have a great track record. I think Lawson would have been a good pick there, had we not already drafted Flynn, i.e. if we had gone Rubio-Derozan.

At 28, I go with the 2009 NCAA tourney's most outstanding player -- NC Ellington (as I'm calling him). He was one of the most versatile scorer's in the entire draft, and if he improves defensively, may even project as a starter long term. BTW didn't Josh Howard also go 28th?

As for projecting a depth chart, I wouldn't take a 2009 approach as that's just too shortsighted and compromises a better depth chart in 2010. So my 2010 depth chart (had I been doing the drafting) would have looked something like this ---

Flynn/Rubio
Rubio/Ellington/Green
Brewer/2010 1st (Wolves)/Green
Love/2010 1st (Utah)/Songalia
Jefferson/2010 1st (Bobs)

Assets:
$12-15 million in cap room
Ryan Gomes unguaranteed contract (probably worth more than his value as a player)
Pekovic
Gladyr

Post #5 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:38 pm

Just to add to Dr. k (btw, you have been one of my favs to read lately)

Wolves pick Turner
Utah pick (20-25 range) DeMarcus Cousins
Char Pick (12-15) Soloman Alabi

Flynn/RUbio
Rubio/Ellington
Brewer/Turner
Love/Cousins
Jefferson/Pekovic

Alabi is a project, but a Sene like athlete. Add a couple low costs vets and wow.

Krapinsky · Post #6 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:43 pm

revprodeji wrote:Just to add to Dr. k (btw, you have been one of my favs to read lately)

Wolves pick Turner
Utah pick (20-25 range) DeMarcus Cousins
Char Pick (12-15) Soloman Alabi

Flynn/RUbio
Rubio/Ellington
Brewer/Turner
Love/Cousins
Jefferson/Pekovic

Alabi is a project, but a Sene like athlete. Add a couple low costs vets and wow.

I appreciate it.

And I completely agree with the picks btw.

Marc · Post #7 » by **Marc** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 7:56 pm

5 - Ricky Rubio
6 - Stephen Curry
18 - Trade down (or for a future pick) or pick Sam Young
28 - DeJuan Blair
45 - Nick Calathes
47 - Henk Norel

collin_k41 · Post #8 » by **collin_k41** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 9:09 pm

Looking back, I think Kahn did everything right. I think I could argue the 2nd rounders MAYBE, but hey they are 2nd rounders soo...(enter applause here)

Post #9 » by **Basti** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 9:59 pm

why should I fix something I really like? I like the way things have gone since Kahn took over - save for the Rubio buyout but Kahn doesn't really have any influence on that.

jc613 · Post #10 » by **jc613** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:00 pm

5 - rubio
6 - flynn
18 - trade with den
28 - sam young (more nba ready than ellington but ellington is a very good pick here, now we have 2007 ncaa final four mvp **brewer** and 2009 **ellington**)

second round:

i want chase budinger here...

mefromthefuture · Post #11 » by **mefromthefuture** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:11 pm

At 5 take Rubio
At 6 take Flynn
At I trade for cash and/DeMarre Carroll
At 28 Wayne Ellington

Esohny · Post #12 » by **Esohny** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:53 pm

The rules here make it difficult to find faults. Hopefully I don't get stoned for a minor bend of the rules:

5: Rubio - This pick was a complete no-brainer, anybody from any team who says they wouldn't have had their team take him this low is a liar.
6: This is the tough one. I like the Flynn pick, but I would have tried to send the 6, Smith, and the Utah pick to OKC for Harden. Sorry for my little rule bend here.
18: I'd think about picking Mullens, but I think the value in getting the Bobcats pick is too good to pass up.
28: Ellington, especially with what I've read about his development since we grabbed him.
45: I would have kept Calathes, I think we might have gotten better value later if we stashed him in greece.
47: I might have gone with a euro SG/SF here, but I'm fine with stashing Norel.

skorff26 · Post #13 » by **skorff26** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 11:15 pm

#5 Rubio (too good to pass up)
#6 Henderson (I think he will be an absolute stud and the best player left, I was also really tempted with Holliday as well; in reality I probably would have traded #6 to NY for #8 and Chandler and taken Henderson at #8)
#18 trade with Denver that occurred (that pick has a chance to be really valuable, if I did use the pick it would be on Casspi or Mullens)
#28 One of Sam Young, DaJuan Summers, Jonas Jerebko, or Derrick Brown; I kind of like all 4 but if I had to pick one I would have taken Brown because I think he would have the most upside
#45 Danny Green, I would have added him in with the 4 that were mentioned at #28, but I could get him at #45 so I take him here
#47 Patrick Mills, since I know that I could get him here this is where I take him, but there is a good chance that this is who I would have taken at #28 instead of a SF, I think Mills will be a solid NBA player and would have been the insurance in case Rubio didn't come over

2009
Rubio? (not drafting Flynn might have made a difference)/Mills/Telfair/Brown
Henderson/Brewer/Green
Gomes/Brewer/Brown (or one of the other 3)
Love/Smith/Songalia
Jefferson/Thomas/Pecherov

Without hindsight
Rubio, Henderson, trade, Mills, Green, sell pick

mchalupnik2 · Post #14 » by **mchalupnik2** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:16 am

the draft was perfect. i have no problem with waiting for rubio. flynn has a ridiculously good attitude and i have love that.

i do think most of you are putting too much value on the charlotte pick. there is a good chance we wont get that pick until 2011 or 2012. either way, i liked the move. later first rounders are a crapshoot.

the_bruce · Post #15 » by **the_bruce** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:33 am

5 rubio
6 clark
18 teague
28 ellington
45 green
47 mills

Krapinsky · Post #16 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:36 am

bruceallen61 wrote:5 rubio
6 clark
18 teague
28 ellington
45 green
47 mills

If you told Johnny Flynn to do 50 push ups, he would drop down and give you 100.

If you told Clark to do that many, he'd say whatever coach, I'm good....I'm good.

Dan's with the Wolves · Post #17 » by **Dan's with the Wolves** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 12:48 am

Esohny wrote:The rules here make it difficult to find faults. Hopefully I don't get stoned for a minor bend of the rules:

5: Rubio - This pick was a complete no-brainer, anybody from any team who says they wouldn't have had their team take him this low is a liar.
6: This is the tough one. I like the Flynn pick, but I would have tried to send the 6, Smith, and the Utah pick to OKC for Harden. Sorry for my little rule bend here.
18: I'd think about picking Mullens, but I think the value in getting the Bobcats pick is too good to pass up.
28: Ellington, especially with what I've read about his development since we grabbed him.
45: I would have kept Calathes, I think we might have gotten better value later if we stashed him in greece.
47: I might have gone with a euro SG/SF here, but I'm fine with stashing Norel.

What would you have done if OKC said "No thanks, we are keeping Harden."

the_bruce · Post #18 » by **the_bruce** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:52 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
bruceallen61 wrote:5 rubio
6 clark
18 teague
28 ellington
45 green
47 mills

If you told Johnny Flynn to do 50 push ups, he would drop down and give you 100.

If you told Clark to do that many, he'd say whatever coach, I'm good....I'm good.

Don't get me wrong I like flynn. I infact had him above Rubio on my draft board, but even I can't pass on Rubio's potential @ 5.

At this level the pushup example is sort of bad, but I understand where you are coming from on it. I simply thing Clark is a great long term fit next to al/love. At the next level I think he will be not just a good, but a great defender.

al\Thomas
love\clark
clark\gomes\green
brewer\teague\ellington
rubio\teague\mills

Even if Rubio doesn't come over Teague and Mills get a try out and probably raise their value.

Also, if I'm allowed to speculate there is a slight chance Jennings falls to #18 if MN passes on flynn. Mil takes flynn @10. Phx probably takes johnson? CHI takes mullens. Phi chooses between jennings & holiday. I think they take holiday still. So what I'm saying is that in reality I think MN ends up with holiday or Jennings @ 18 instead of teague. I easily take jennings or holiday for value there.

ChazzleDazzle · Post #19 » by **ChazzleDazzle** » Sat Jul 4, 2009 3:54 am

Pretty much in agreement with the general sentiment here. The more I hear about Flynn the more I like the kid, and there's no way we pass on Rubio at 5, so the move(s) that Kahn has been most bashed for make more sense than people are giving them credit for. Particularly if he loved Rubio as much as we all did, but was astute enough to realize that dropping to #5 was going to make it VERY difficult to work the buyout (which is exactly where we find ourselves). I'm with Dr. K on pretty much everything else. LOVE the #18 trade, like Ellington at #28 and would have liked Green as a backup and Gladyr as a stash.

But I'm a pretty big fan of where Kahn has us sitting right now. Lots of chips moving forward, which is the whole point.

Next year, we potentially could create a package out of the rights to Pekovic and/or Rubio, 3 first rounders plus 15M in expirings. Not too shabby. That nets a superstar, no question about it.