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Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:40 pm**

If we could make a play for Chris Paul, which would definetly include Rubio, would you guys be interested?

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:46 pm**

Dandy wrote:If we could make a play for Chris Paul, which would definetly include Rubio, would you guys be interested?

Obviously. Why, do you know George Shinn?

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:56 pm**

MN is one of the few teams that could offer expiring contracts, young talent, and draft picks to acquire Paul and one of Chandler/Peja.

I'd offer Love/Rubio/expiring contracts/Char. pick/another first rounder/even the Utah pick for Paul/Chandler.

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:07 pm**

Carpe Diem wrote:MN is one of the few teams that could offer expiring contracts, young talent, and draft picks to acquire Paul and one of Chandler/Peja.

I'd offer Love/Rubio/expiring contracts/Char. pick/another first rounder/even the Utah pick for Paul/Chandler.

Very tempting i tell ya

where does that leave Flynn then? back up? unless Kahn feels Paul can play the 2 :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:15 pm**

I'd rather wait

Posted: **Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:21 pm**

for what?

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:54 am**

I would definitely be interested; we are hoping that our young PG's get as close to as good as Paul. This way we would actually have Paul to pair with Jefferson

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:51 am**

james harden wrote:for what?

2011: Rubio and Pekovic to hop on board, cap space, 2 top 10 draft picks plus picks from Utah, Charlotte, and Houston in 2010.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:20 pm**

I posted a little on this on the Trade Board.

shrink wrote:I ran some quick numbers for a Chris Paul trade, where they tried to use Paul to move Tyson Chandler, Peja, and Posey. The landing point for that is a package of returning contracts that are between $36-$48 mil. That's a lot of money in expirings/raw cap space/cheap talent, and I don't think many teams can make a good offer.

Also note that even if a team offered all expirings, they'd be adding $34 mil in 2010, $21 mil in 2011, and Paul's not inconsequential $17 in 2012, for a total of $72 mil in additional payroll. I know some of us like to ignore the costs here, but writing checks for an additional $72 mil .. not counting lux payments that may come from a base $10 mil lower ... is a huge financial burden.

Paul is great -- no question there -- but his play can't be looked at without thinking about the financial costs. Chandler, Peja and Posey will provide a little help, but they are all negative value contracts, and Paul is already on a max deal. Expecting this much financial relief .. PLUS great players/prospects .. is more value than even Chris Paul has, I'm afraid.

shrink wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote: New Orleans Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Darrell Arthur, Marc Gasol, Mario Chalmers, Dorell Wright, Jermaine O'Neal
Outgoing Players: James Posey, Tyson Chandler, Peja Stojakovic, Chris Paul
NOH sheds $18mil in cap relief this year, with more for the future. They get younger, and remain an exciting team to watch.

I think that if NOH can move that kind of package, they have to take a hard look. A glance at their salaries:

Chris Paul 13,758,000 15,202,590 16,647,180 18,091,770
Stojakovic 13,392,000 14,256,000
Chandler 12,250,000 13,150,000
J Posey 6,031,800 6,478,600 6,925,400
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2009-10: $45.43 mil
2010-11: $49.09 mil
2011-12: $23.57 mil
2012-13: $18.09 mil

.. demonstrates that. Shinn has $90 mil of checks to write over the next three years, and that's not counting the ones he writes to the NBA for lux payments with a declining lux.. In addition, you saved him $18 mil this year.

For this kind of savings, I think NOH would be lucky to get a little youth back.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:54 pm**

The way I see it they have...
Paul, - ?????
Peja - least movable, old, worst injury history
Chandler - borderline movable for an expiring depending on health
posey - movable for an expiring
West - movable for an expiring + good pick or young player

So I think most teams would need to choke on peja. NOH is looking for savings, but in the event he is traded I'd expect him to have the biggest return that we've ever seen for a player. KG is the obvious high water mark in terms of return and I'd disregard a lot of the other factors regarding bad contracts as only peja's seems to be an issue imo.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:19 pm**

I think Posey's overpaid now in today's market, and they already tried to dump Chandler for expirings, but he failed the physical. Questions on his health make him the hardest guy to rate.

The other idea is that MIN has the potential to be a perfect third team to help someone get Paul. NOH isn't going to want two-year deals .. even good ones on stong players .. if they are trying to save money and get under the lux. With all the wolves expirings, young talent and picks, its quite possible a Chris Paul deal could allow us to use the cap space early as expirings, since we can afford the bigger contracts next year.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:38 pm**

If Paul is going out Peja would have to as well. Also I think one of MoPete or Chandler would have to as well.

Also they would have to save over 10 million this year and over 30 million next year; they would also need at least 1 first and 2 good prospects.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:20 pm**

I think MN makes a great thirdwheel in a Paul deal.

MN is set @ the 4, 5, & 1. There can be debate about the 3rd big and Al not being a true C, but imo they just need a rotational big to hustle block shots or a 3/4. That piece can be added fairly easily.

I'm not sure who would be in the hunt for Paul that could use our expirings, but virtually every team besides OKC, PDX, NJ, NYK, MEM, & SAC would need expirings.

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:42 pm**

skorff26 wrote: Also they would have to save over 10 million this year and over 30 million next year; they would also need at least 1 first and 2 good prospects.

It seems amazing with such big numbers, but NOH doesn't need to deal with teams with raw cap space this year because its amazing how fast the gap can build with big contract players like this. Paul + Peja + Chandler is close to $40 mil in salary, which means at 125% they only need to take back $32 ... $8 mil right there. Expirings for Peja and Chandler knock out $27 of the $30 mil next year.

MIN can definitely be an effective trading partner in a three-way. MIN has $26 mil in expirings (plus Gomes cheap buy-out) by them selves,

Posted: **Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:11 pm**

shrink wrote:I posted a little on this on the Trade Board.

shrink wrote:I ran some quick numbers for a Chris Paul trade, where they tried to use Paul to move Tyson Chandler, Peja, and Posey. The landing point for that is a package of returning contracts that are between $36-$48 mil. That's a lot of money in expirings/raw cap space/cheap talent, and I don't think many teams can make a good offer.

Also note that even if a team offered all expirings, they'd be adding $34 mil in 2010, $21 mil in 2011, and Paul's not inconsequential $17 in 2012, for a total of $72 mil in additional payroll. I know some of us like to ignore the costs here, but writing checks for an additional $72 mil .. not counting lux payments that may come from a base $10 mil lower ... is a huge financial burden.

Paul is great -- no question there -- but his play can't be looked at without thinking about the financial costs. Chandler, Peja and Posey will provide a little help, but they are all negative value contracts, and Paul is already on a max deal. Expecting this much financial relief .. PLUS great players/prospects .. is more value than even Chris Paul has, I'm afraid.

shrink wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote: New Orleans Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Darrell Arthur, Marc Gasol, Mario Chalmers, Dorell Wright, Jermaine O'Neal
Outgoing Players: James Posey, Tyson Chandler, Peja Stojakovic, Chris Paul
NOH sheds $18mil in cap relief this year, with more for the future. They get younger, and remain an exciting team to watch.

I think that if NOH can move that kind of package, they have to take a hard look. A glance at their salaries:

Chris Paul 13,758,000 15,202,590 16,647,180 18,091,770
Stojakovic 13,392,000 14,256,000
Chandler 12,250,000 13,150,000
J Posey 6,031,800 6,478,600 6,925,400
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2009-10: $45.43 mil
2010-11: $49.09 mil
2011-12: $23.57 mil
2012-13: $18.09 mil

.. demonstrates that. Shinn has $90 mil of checks to write over the next three years, and that's not counting the ones he writes to the NBA for lux payments with a declining lux.. In addition, you saved him $18 mil this year.

For this kind of savings, I think NOH would be lucky to get a little youth back.

One thing I'd like to point out is that some of that additional 72 million in payroll would be spent on other players if the trade wasn't made, so it's not really 72 million of additional payroll. It may be something like 40 million, which is definitely significant, but less than your number.

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