UTA - MIN

[shrink]

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I'd like to move Songalia, but he's not awful, and giving out $5 mil in raw cap space seems like it deserves some better incentive than Korver, particualrly since its not 2010 incentive. However, Korver is the best player in the deal. ::shrug::

Harpring + Korver for Atkins + Songalia + Pecherov + $2.3 mil TPE

Harpring $6,500,000
Korver $5,338,636

Atkins $3,480,000 (only $0.76 guaranteed)
Songalia $4,526,000 $4,818,000
Pecherov $1,547,640

For UTA, the $2.3 mil TPE and the $2.7 mil in 2009 raw cap space when Atkins is waived creates $5 mil off your books. Lots of that would be doubled for you. Songalia is a UTA-type attitude.

MIN moves Songalia, and would get some use out of Korver, who has midwest connections. You'd have to wait until the 60 days until these players can be combined in trade

[The J Rocka]

We would have a very thin front court, they wouldn't fit in well with the players we already have

i'll pass

[big3_8_19_21]

I'll take it for cap space

[shrink]

I'd be a lot more inclined to do my own deal if a third team was involved.

Korver's OK, but MIN doesn't need his one-year production. If there was a third team who could really use Korver, and was willing to include some future incentive (protected pick or prospect) for swapping an unproductive expiring for Korver's production, it'd be far more appealing.

[skorff26]

I'll take it for the cap space as well. We could ship Korver out to a 3rd team if need be, or he might accept a cheap buyout as well.

[Esohny]

I'd be fine with it as is due to the 2010 cap space being freed up, but I agree that it would probably better to include a 3rd team and try to pick up something...heck, even an unprotected 2nd rounder wouldn't be bad.

[4ho5ive]

Isnt Utah in love with Harpring?

[Winter Wonder]

I'd be a lot more inclined to do my own deal if a third team was involved.

Korver's OK, but MIN doesn't need his one-year production. If there was a third team who could really use Korver, and was willing to include some future incentive (protected pick or prospect) for swapping an unproductive expiring for Korver's production, it'd be far more appealing.

This is pretty much the answer to the trade idea. I actuallly don't like the idea of giving up Pecherov in this deal, but could live with it if Korver is turned into some younger/future asset. I like Korver alot (Creighton Alum here) and think his shooting could be useful, but it would probably be a better fit in a year later, not next season.

[deeney0]

I don't see why Utah does this.

[shrink]

I'd be a lot more inclined to do my own deal if a third team was involved.

Korver's OK, but MIN doesn't need his one-year production. If there was a third team who could really use Korver, and was willing to include some future incentive (protected pick or prospect) for swapping an unproductive expiring for Korver's production, it'd be far more appealing.

This is pretty much the answer to the trade idea. I actuallly don't like the idea of giving up Pecherov in this deal, but could live with it if Korver is turned into some younger/future asset. I like Korver alot (Creighton Alum here) and think his shooting could be useful, but it would probably be a better fit in a year later, not next season.

I glanced through teams that might trade a less productive expiring plus a prospect/pick for Korver, where their combo matched a range of $4.3-$6.8 mil .. 125% + $100,000 cba salary match. Some of these are bad fits, and I didn't include incentive, but I thought it was a good way to start looking at possibilities:

BOS: Scalabrine ($3.4) + ??
CHI: Jerome James ($6.6)
DEN: Steven Hunter ($3.7) + ??
GSW: Claxton ($5.2) (no fit at all)
LAL: Morrison ($5.3)
MIA: James Jones ($4.3)
MIL: Kurt Thomas ($3.8) + ?? Ridnour ($6.5) gives MIL $1 more to match Sessions offers
NJN: Hassell ($4.35)
NOH: Daniels? ($6.6) R. Butler ($3.9) + Armstrong ($2.8)
WAS: Mike James ($6.5)

Again, these would need incentive, like a protected 1st, or a prospect. However, they have the financial puzzle pieces that fit with Korver's salary.

[shrink]

I don't see why Utah does this.

With big contract guys like Okur and Boozer electing to stay in for their final year, the Jazz are currently at a payroll of $82 mil, so every penny of the $5 mil they save is doubled. Next season they may be more maneuverable, even with Songalia.

[deeney0]

I think if Utah wanted to make a cost cutting move, they'd look to (and be able to) make a bigger one than this.

[Klomp]

Isnt Utah in love with Harpring?

I'm pretty sure they were at one time, but check this out: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=932787

"He likely won't retire because he would forfeit his money, but he could negotiate a settlement with the Jazz or his contract could be used in a trade with a team that does not expect him to report."

We could be that team. Harpring for Songaila & Atkins?

[MN Die Hard]

By adding a third team we're looking to exchange Songaila (via Korver) for an expiring right? Isn't that incentive enough?

[shrink]

By adding a third team we're looking to exchange Songaila (via Korver) for an expiring right? Isn't that incentive enough?

I really like this deal financially, because all the pieces fit together so nicely.

However, unfortunately for shrink-world, these commodities actually have to play basketball.

Utah would have little use for Pecherov, and since Korver's on a 1-year deal, he'd be a better fit elsewhere too. I might do it anyway, and Jazz fans say they'd have to look at it too, but there's trade value here is being wasted. If we placed it properly with a third team, this could be a no-brainer for all involved.

So what do we have? What team could use a good three-point shooting guard, and a young back-up 7-footer with a jump shot?

[shrink]

This still isn't the perfect fit, but I thought I'd be more clear if I provided an example.

UTA OUT: Harpring + Korver for Atkins
UTA IN: Atkins + Songalia + Farmar + create a $1.9 mil TPE

MIN OUT: Atkins + Songalia + Pecherov + Bobby Brown
MIN IN: Harpring + Morrison + LAL future top 20-protected 1st

LAL OUT: Morrison + Farmar + LAL future top 20-protected 1st
LAL IN: Korver + Pecherov + Bobby Brown

For LAL, OPec and BB are probably a better use of Farmar's money for bench players, and Korver is a big upgrade over Morrison. UTA turns OPec into something else (though still not a great fit, but its just an example), and MIN gives up Korver's win-now production for a future late 1st.

BOS would make a good third team too. Its immediate championship ambitions would be well-served by adding the talented Korver, and it has some prospects in Giddens and Bill Walker that won't get many minutes to develop on their win-now team.

[revprodeji]

I do not like this deal. Sorry Shrink.