MIN - OKC - HOU

[shrink]

Just taking the other deal and moving things around a bit:

MIN GETS: Jeff Green, Lowry, Brian Cook, HOU 1st ($9,052,000)
MIN GIVES: Love + Songalia + 2nd ($7,927,040)

OKC GIVES: Jeff Green ($3,517,000)
OKC GETS: Love, Songalia ($7,927,040)

HOU GIVES: Cook, Lowry, HOU 1st ($5,535,000)
HOU GETS: 2nd

MIN loses Love, but gets Jeff Green, moves Songalia, gets a look at Lowry, and the HOU 1st

OKC upgrades Green to Love using its cap space

HOU gets under the lux and saves about $13 mil.

[Esohny]

I don't think HOU goes for that.

[The J Rocka]

I think HOU would want at least a first-round pick

[shrink]

My thinking for the Rockets is that Lowry + their pick aren't worth $13 mil.

[Mcfale313]

then we will be way too crowded at backcourt and wings, while has Hollins and Jefferson alone upfront.....ya, if u count Pecherov as a backup, thats 3 playable front court players

[slinky]

We can always sign a warm body to fill the spot. Heck, with Hollins trying to swat everything that moves we could get by with Gomes at PF for a small stretch.

Anyways, I would consider it for the wolves. I like Green and I like the HOU pick(depending on protections). Sucks giving up Love though.

Can we send lowry somewhere else? I dont see much need for him, with Flynn 54 minutes a game. If he doesnt have much value than I am cool keeping him. But if he wcould be an asset to another team, he would be wasted here.

I wouldnt mind finding a way to steal the HOU 1st though. It could be valuable depending on the protections(i dont think they are a lock for the playoffs this year).

[Biff Cooper]

I don't know that Green is a good enough NBA prospect to give up on Love. I don't have a real good feel for Green as an NBA prospect. Green is kind of a hybrid 3-4. Green struggled so much as a rookie that people like Hollinger gave up on him ever becoming anything more than a defensive stopper type role player. Green did come back and have a pretty solid second year, so I think that ceiling has probably risen for him. The perception right now is probably that Love is a better prospect than Green. I wouldn't want to do this trade unless we really liked Green and though he will eventually be a better all-around pro prospect than Love, capitalizing on Love's current value to get extra stuff in the deal.

[GopherIt!]

whats with all the Love trades shrinks?

[Guy986]

Just taking the other deal and moving things around a bit:

MIN GETS: Jeff Green, Lowry, Brian Cook, HOU 1st ($9,052,000)
MIN GIVES: Love + Songalia + 2nd ($7,927,040)

OKC GIVES: Jeff Green ($3,517,000)
OKC GETS: Love, Songalia ($7,927,040)

HOU GIVES: Cook, Lowry, HOU 1st ($5,535,000)
HOU GETS: 2nd

MIN loses Love, but gets Jeff Green, moves Songalia, gets a look at Lowry, and the HOU 1st

OKC upgrades Green to Love using its cap space

HOU gets under the lux and saves about $13 mil.

So Houston moves their Backup PG, a potential lottery pick and an expiring contract for a 2nd rounder. Good trade.

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So Houston moves their Backup PG, a potential lottery pick and an expiring contract for a 2nd rounder. Good trade.

Reading is too demanding, but posting comes easily.

You are a creature of ironic character.

[shrink]

whats with all the Love trades shrinks?

I'm not eager to move Love, but when I see a fair offer for him on the Trade Board, I thought I'd bring it back for discussion.

This is a version of that first Love-Green swap where the assets go to the places where they fit best. OKC gets Love, HOU saves massively without touching their starters, including the oft-mentioned Battier, and MIN gets 3 pretty good pieces for Love.

I don't know if I'd do it. My basic philosophy is that MIN needs to try to trade up for players that can be great, rather than downgrade with parts. However, Love-to-Green is arguably not that big a downgrade (though others may disagree), and the other pieces (moving Songalia and getting a pick) seems like a decent package for him.

[Guy986]

My thinking for the Rockets is that Lowry + their pick aren't worth $13 mil.

You realize that the Rockets are one of the more aggressive team this offseason in terms of spending? Our owner paid 6 millions just to acquire the rights to 3 second rounders. We signed Budinger, Taylor to contracts equivalent to that of first round draft picks. We signed Ariza to an MLE equivalent contract and gave 2.5 million a year to David Andersen, a big whose never played in the NBA before. All that AFTER Yao suffered a season ending injury which effectively eliminated the Rockets from contention. Oh we also just signed Mensah-Bonsu to a contract with what little of the MLE we have left.

Does that look like a team willing to trade their backup PG and their lottery pick and an expiring contract to save money?

[shrink]

LOL! First, how nice of you to notice the $13 mil!

As for your arguments, do you think they mean that money is no object? I know fans like to believe this fairy tale, but this RealGM. Money is ALWAYS important,

So you really believe that with $13 mil offer from the banker for a future 1st and a back-up PG, and he'll slap the button and say "No Deal?"

[Guy986]

The Rockets are one of few teams in the league last year that MADE money and is generally considered one of the top 10 most valued franchise in the NBA.

Where did you get the idea that the Rockets are willing to dismantle their team to save a few bucks from? I've seen very little evidence of that based on what i've seen this offseason. Maybe you know something i don't?

[Guy986]

LOL! First, how nice of you to notice the $13 mil!

As for your arguments, do you think they mean that money is no object? I know fans like to believe this fairy tale, but this RealGM. Money is ALWAYS important,

So you really believe that with $13 mil offer from the banker for a future 1st and a back-up PG, and he'll slap the button and say "No Deal?"

You keep saying 13 million but this trade really only sheds 5.5 million worth of salary.

I would like to think that our GM and owner knows what they got themselves into when they went on a massive spending spree this offseason.

If our owner really wanted to stay away from luxury tax, he could've just let Artest go and not sign Ariza. He could've signed a minimum contract guy as opposed to 2.5 million to Andersen. He could've stay put on Draft day(the Houstons had no picks) instead of spending a ridiculous amount on 2nd round draft picks. If my owner isn't worried about the money, i'm not going to sweat it either.

He could've saved himself 20+ million if he just stay put. (no lux tax, no additional salary, no money for draft picks)

[Guy986]

This trade is actually quite ironic. According to Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/32/nba ... ncome.html ,both the Timberwolves and the Thunder lost money last year and are ranked 23rd and 24th respectively interms of value. The two teams combined lost about 15 million dollar and the Rockets made 31 million dollar last year. I would say that neither team are in any position to "help" the Rockets financially.

Also if you believe our owner, he's in a buyer's mood.

"I want to say this without being predatory," said Alexander, taking a few seconds before continuing. "We're in a position now that we're willing to go after it. I think we have a team to go after it. If we can take advantage of some problems, we'd be willing to do it."

http://clutchfans.net/news/1535/top_5_t ... in_trades/

Obviously that was before Yao's injury. But judging by what i've seen so far this offseason, i'm inclined to believe him what he says he's willing to take advantage of "problems" and not the other way around.


So if the timberwolves need somebody to take on Al Jefferson to shed some salary, give the Rockets a call.

[Esohny]

So this reminds me of a great conversation we had on the trade board. Everyone agreed on the delicious merits of dipping food in BBQ sauce, and mayo is not good on hamburgers.

[mnWI]

There's no way the Rockets FO is this stupid.

[Jose Cordoba]

Guy's 100% correct. Why Houston would do this is beyond me. I realize the thinking is financial reasons. The problem is though they could be picking 8th in the first round or 20th.

I wouldn't trade Love for Green. The Wolves would be brutal on the boards. Green's a product of volume. He's nothing special. Where as K-Love is an elite rebounder at the age of 20. The question would be if the Houston pick has enough value for the swap- I would guess- No.

[Guy986]

Guy's 100% correct. Why Houston would do this is beyond me. I realize the thinking is financial reasons. The problem is though they could be picking 8th in the first round or 20th.

Or 2nd. Maybe even first.