MN/ATL/SAC (Jefferson)

[B Calrissian]

Wolves
IN- Martin, Smith
OUT- Al Jefferson, Darius Songalia, Chucky Atkins

(Rubio)Flynn/Brown
Martin/Ellington/Wilkins
Gomes/Brewer
Smith/Pecherov/Cardinal
Love/Hollins/Blount

Martin helps with outside shooting and getting to the line. Smith brings defense, plain and simple. This would also make it possible to bring Pek over and give him a starting spot (Smith would move to SF). And before people say Hey Love isn't a center.. Love is going to be covering the better post player when he plays with Al, so why not just make him the center? Smith will be able to cover the big men that play out of the paint. Jeff Green, Okur, and LMA are starting front court players in the Northwest. Who would you rather have covering them, Al or Josh Smith?

Kings
IN- Jefferson
OUT- Kevin Martin, Spencer Hawes

Udrih/Rodriguez
Evans/Garica
Nocioni/Casspi
Thompson/May/Greene
Jefferson/Thomas

They get Jefferson. Seems like a good enough reason to me. They would still need to sign a back up center. Too bad the Celtics signed Shelden Williams.

Hawks
IN- Hawes, Songalia, Atkins
OUT- Josh Smith

Bibby/Teague/Atkins
Johnson/Crawford
Williams/Evans
Horford/Songalia
Hawes/Pachulia/Morris

They move Smith who seems to have worn out his welcome in his home state. Hawes is a decent center prospect. He is only 21 and averaged 11 and 7 last season. Songalia adds depth to their thin frontline. They can use Atkins as a 3rd PG or get rid of him and save some money.

[dunkonu21]

Wolves get a hell of a deal. They have to pull the trigger here, don't they?

[Basti]

I get the feeling the Kings get raped with tons of lube being used (a.k.a. not a painful rape but it's a rape nonetheless)

[4ho5ive]

Id rather have Hawes/Thompson/Horford/Williams then Josh Smith. He isnt a good SF and i dont even really like his game as a PF, not to mention his attitude issues.

[jade_hippo]

i don't want Martin, doesn't play enough defense for my liking and kind of comes off as a chucker. If i deal with the ATL its for Horford or Williams, Smith is without a position and seems to have a bad attitude.

[Biff Cooper]

Wolves get a hell of a deal. They have to pull the trigger here, don't they?

I say no to any Jefferson trade where we don't get a player that's better than Jefferson in return.

[shrink]

I like the boldness of the deal.

Everyone values players differently, particularly when you're talking about stars and youth, but I think all of the valuations are well done. Personally I'm not a fan of Josh Smith, so I'd prefer the deal straight up with SAC. I'd have to give it a long look through before I'd give up Al Jefferson.

Interesting deal, B Calrissian!

[B Calrissian]

I get the feeling the Kings get raped with tons of lube being used (a.k.a. not a painful rape but it's a rape nonetheless)

You have been listening to the Kings homers too much (Smills, NNN).

i don't want Martin, doesn't play enough defense for my liking and kind of comes off as a chucker. If i deal with the ATL its for Horford or Williams, Smith is without a position and seems to have a bad attitude.

The same could be said about Al.

Id rather have Hawes/Thompson/Horford/Williams then Josh Smith. He isnt a good SF and i dont even really like his game as a PF, not to mention his attitude issues.

Those players all have more value than Smith. So I guess if we want to keep Songalia and be worse on D (excluding Horford) we could go after Hawes or Thompson.

I like the boldness of the deal.

Everyone values players differently, particularly when you're talking about stars and youth, but I think all of the valuations are well done. Personally I'm not a fan of Josh Smith, so I'd prefer the deal straight up with SAC. I'd have to give it a long look through before I'd give up Al Jefferson.

Interesting deal, B Calrissian!

Thanks shrink. I see most of you dislike Smith for his 'tude and rightfully so. He doesn't seem like a guy Kahn would want but I am desperate to get some defense on this team.

[Basti]

I get the feeling the Kings get raped with tons of lube being used (a.k.a. not a painful rape but it's a rape nonetheless)

You have been listening to the Kings homers too much (Smills, NNN).

I don't really think my reply was somehow motivated by some Kings fans. I just don't see why they would trade a nice young scoring guard and a nice young center project for a center who would be suited best as a power forward and who'd take minutes away from their young power forward. granted Jefferson >>> Thompson but still they shouldn't trade two good/great pieces for one great piece if you already have a good piece at that very position.

then again I couldn't care less about the Kings and how they'll think of that trade as long as they'd agree upon it. I think talentwise we'd make out like bandits. I'd try to trade Smith to another team though looking for a real SF or a real C.

[B Calrissian]

I get the feeling the Kings get raped with tons of lube being used (a.k.a. not a painful rape but it's a rape nonetheless)

You have been listening to the Kings homers too much (Smills, NNN).

I don't really think my reply was somehow motivated by some Kings fans. I just don't see why they would trade a nice young scoring guard and a nice young center project for a center who would be suited best as a power forward and who'd take minutes away from their young power forward. granted Jefferson >>> Thompson but still they shouldn't trade two good/great pieces for one great piece if you already have a good piece at that very position.

then again I couldn't care less about the Kings and how they'll think of that trade as long as they'd agree upon it. I think talentwise we'd make out like bandits. I'd try to trade Smith to another team though looking for a real SF or a real C.

Are you sure you haven't been influenced by the Kings fans?

[Basti]

nah not really. sure I might value Hawes better than the average fan but it takes a certain while for big men to get used to the NBA. I think in about two years he could average 15/10 along with decent D.

[Biff Cooper]

nah not really. sure I might value Hawes better than the average fan but it takes a certain while for big men to get used to the NBA. I think in about two years he could average 15/10 along with decent D.

I like Hawes, but in 2 years, Jefferson could average 25/15 along with decent D. If Sacramento can turn Hawes and Martin into Jefferson, they run with the deal and don't look back.

I think MN gets screwed in the discussed deals, not Sacramento. If you have given up on Jefferson ever being an adequate defender, you think about this deal. I have not given up on this yet, and think it would be stupid to get rid of Jefferson unless you are getting someone better in return.

[Basti]

I never said I love that deal. as I said talentwise we'd get a nice deal here but Josh Smith is just not a fit. yes Jefferson is the best player involved but Martin and Smith really make up for losing Jefferson (talentwise). if we could trade Smith for a real SF or C (who's also borderline Allstar worthy) I'd take that deal though.

but I also have to admit that I didn't consider any financial aspects here. if it means ruining our 2010 cap space completely I wouldn't want that deal to happen.

oh and I certainly agree with you that if Big Al averages 25/15 with decent D (not that likely though with Love on the team taking away rebounds) I certainly wouldn't take that deal as well. okay I admit it, you've made me change my mind. now I'm torn. I wouldn't reject it right off the spot but I wouldn't say yes instantly either.

happy now?

[Biff Cooper]

I never said I love that deal. as I said talentwise we'd get a nice deal here but Josh Smith is just not a fit. yes Jefferson is the best player involved but Martin and Smith really make up for losing Jefferson (talentwise). if we could trade Smith for a real SF or C (who's also borderline Allstar worthy) I'd take that deal though.

but I also have to admit that I didn't consider any financial aspects here. if it means ruining our 2010 cap space completely I wouldn't want that deal to happen.

oh and I certainly agree with you that if Big Al averages 25/15 with decent D (not that likely though with Love on the team taking away rebounds) I certainly wouldn't take that deal as well. okay I admit it, you've made me change my mind. now I'm torn. I wouldn't reject it right off the spot but I wouldn't say yes instantly either.

happy now?

Yep

[jade_hippo]

i don't want Martin, doesn't play enough defense for my liking and kind of comes off as a chucker. If i deal with the ATL its for Horford or Williams, Smith is without a position and seems to have a bad attitude.

The same could be said about Al.

Yes Al is a black hole down low. The bright side is he is 7ft tall and is an amazing rebounder and one of the top 5 low post scorers in the game. Martin isn't really top 5 anything in the league (not to discredit him, he is a good player in his own right, but his age and the terrible team he is on, and his contract do not make him any more desirable than say Redd, J Richardson, or Ray Allen at this point.)

Plus we already have a good defender who really doesn't have a position in Brewer, and he's got a better attitude and a much much more reasonable contract. and he smiles so gosh dang much it makes me smile too

[Worm Guts]

Yes Al is a black hole down low. The bright side is he is 7ft tall and is an amazing rebounder and one of the top 5 low post scorers in the game. Martin isn't really top 5 anything in the league (not to discredit him, he is a good player in his own right, but his age and the terrible team he is on, and his contract do not make him any more desirable than say Redd, J Richardson, or Ray Allen at this point.)

Martin is 26, at least 2 years younger than any of the other guys you mentioned, he got to the free throw line more than any other perimeter player in the league last year, and he's a good three point shooter. Let's not dismiss Kevin Martin.

[jade_hippo]

Yes Al is a black hole down low. The bright side is he is 7ft tall and is an amazing rebounder and one of the top 5 low post scorers in the game. Martin isn't really top 5 anything in the league (not to discredit him, he is a good player in his own right, but his age and the terrible team he is on, and his contract do not make him any more desirable than say Redd, J Richardson, or Ray Allen at this point.)

Martin is 26, at least 2 years younger than any of the other guys you mentioned, he got to the free throw line more than any other perimeter player in the league last year, and he's a good three point shooter. Let's not dismiss Kevin Martin.

I wasn't dismissing him at all, i hate when we play the kings because of him. I just don't see what he brings to the table that those 3 don't. He's a very effective player in todays NBA. Getting to the line is hit or miss with me nowdays. Dwade can go to the line without being touched and can do it 25 times a game if he chooses

[Worm Guts]

Yes Al is a black hole down low. The bright side is he is 7ft tall and is an amazing rebounder and one of the top 5 low post scorers in the game. Martin isn't really top 5 anything in the league (not to discredit him, he is a good player in his own right, but his age and the terrible team he is on, and his contract do not make him any more desirable than say Redd, J Richardson, or Ray Allen at this point.)

Martin is 26, at least 2 years younger than any of the other guys you mentioned, he got to the free throw line more than any other perimeter player in the league last year, and he's a good three point shooter. Let's not dismiss Kevin Martin.

I wasn't dismissing him at all, i hate when we play the kings because of him. I just don't see what he brings to the table that those 3 don't. He's a very effective player in todays NBA. Getting to the line is hit or miss with me nowdays. Dwade can go to the line without being touched and can do it 25 times a game if he chooses

He gets to the line more than the other 3 do, that's what he brings. Hell, he gets to the line more than Dwyane Wade. I don't know what mean about it being hit or miss, getting to the line is indisputably a valuable asset.

[4ho5ive]

Jefferson is 7ft tall now?

[jade_hippo]

Jefferson is 7ft tall now?

6'8'-6'9" close enough for me