MIN/UTA/SAC

Marc · Post #1 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:41 am

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5242624:

Part A) Jazz get salary relief, TWolves get a star, Kings get expiring contracts and a potential top 6 pick:

UTA GIVES: Matt Harpring + Kyle Korver + rights to swap UTA/NYK pick
UTA GETS: Chucky Atkins (partially guaranteed) + Damien Wilkins + Corey Brewer

SAC GIVES: Kevin Martin
SAC GETS: Brian Cardinal + Wayne Ellington + UTA's 1st + rights to swap UTA/NYK pick

MIN GIVES: Chucky Atkins (partially guaranteed) + Damien Wilkins + Corey Brewer + Brian Cardinal + Wayne Ellington + UTA's 1st
MIN GETS: Kevin Martin + Matt Harpring + Kyle Korver

Part b) To save Kings almost $1M more:

MIN GIVES: Mark Blount
SAC GIVES: Kenny Thomas

funkatron101 · Post #2 » by **funkatron101** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:46 pm

Kings fans quickly say no.

john2jer · Post #3 » by **john2jer** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:40 pm

Brutal for the Kings and WAY too good for the Wolves.

Esohny · Post #4 » by **Esohny** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:45 pm

Of course the Kings say no, but I don't think Utah does it either. If Kahn managed this, I'd bake him a cake.

shrink · Post #5 » by **shrink** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:21 pm

While Kevin Martin may be the best player on the Kings, most Kings posters realize that he is not a superstar they can build their team around, and they have created several trade scenarios for Martin that aren't too far from this. They may want some sort of assurance they are getting a better pick, or to move Udrih before they sign on. Its just so tough to make deals involving the Knicks pick, since different posters have such a variable view of its worth.

funkatron101 · Post #6 » by **funkatron101** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:28 pm

shrink wrote:While Kevin Martin may be the best player on the Kings, most Kings posters realize that he is not a superstar they can build their team around, and they have created several trade scenarios for Martin that aren't too far from this. They may want some sort of assurance they are getting a better pick, or to move Udrih before they sign on. Its just so tough to make deals involving the Knicks pick, since different posters have such a variable view of its worth.

No doubt about it. This deal just needs more.

Martin is their star player. Attendance is at an all-time low, and Cardinal, Ellington + the NY pick would just kill it further.

Personally, I'm not too high on Martin, but he is worth more to the fans. They expect either an established star player in return, or someone to take Udrih or Nocioni AND a they get an expiring plus a really enticing prospect.

If the NY pick ends up being top three, then I think they would consider it. But by that point, this deal, with the current players, is pretty much off the table.

I think timing is the main issue with this deal more than anything.

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:45 pm

I should point out that the Kings lost a lot of money last year, and its money that their owners, the Malouff brothers, might not have. Already some of the poorest owners, I read something a few months back that the recession may have hit their net worth more than any other owners. What, don't people gamble if they can't afford to lose?

Kings fans admit to my points, but say that the rest of the Malouff family would step in with their considerable fortunes. Sacramento is a mid-size market, very similar to Minneapolis/Saint Paul in size.

karch34 · Post #8 » by **karch34** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:55 pm

Outside of the NCAA tournament, tourism was down in Vegas a lot, so I'm sure they were hit hard.

I'm sure there'd be some financial motivation to move Martin, but they'd still have to get some kind of value in return to be able to sell it.

Martin isn't a #1 option, but he's a very good player who isn't horribly overpaid. We'd have a nice back court with Flynn, Sessions, Martin, and hopefully Ellington plus two good bigmen. Definitely put us closer to where we need to be to compete.

Post #9 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:59 pm

Utah isn't going to give up the NYK pick for strictly cap relief.

Marc · Post #10 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:13 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Utah isn't going to give up the NYK pick for strictly cap relief.

Utah saves $8.5M. That is a lot of money.

Marc · Post #11 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:14 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Utah isn't going to give up the NYK pick for strictly cap relief.

Utah saves $8.5M. That is a lot of money.

Marc · Post #12 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:16 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Utah isn't going to give up the NYK pick for strictly cap relief.

Utah saves $8.5M. That is a lot of money.

Post #13 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:16 pm

Marc wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Utah isn't going to give up the NYK pick for strictly cap relief.

Utah saves $8.5M. That is a lot of money.

And the NYK pick is probably top 10. It's a big asset, if they need to cut costs there are probably better ways to do it.

Marc · Post #14 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:17 pm

Oops, sorry for the triple-posting. I got this message:
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Also, would you add Pekovic's rights for Kings to make the trade work. I still think Jazz would do the trade because Knicks and Jazz picks would end up with a 7 positions or a bit less or more and Jazz would accept $8.5M for that difference because of their financial needs.

shrink · Post #15 » by **shrink** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:36 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Marc wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Utah isn't going to give up the NYK pick for strictly cap relief.

Utah saves $8.5M. That is a lot of money.

And the NYK pick is probably top 10. It's a big asset, if they need to cut costs there are probably better ways to do it.

Give us your examples where they can save $8.5 mil.

Financial savings is too often neglected on these boards, when you see it so often in the real NBA. I don't disagree that the Knicks pick could be Top Ten, but its $8.5 mil and another 1st.

Marc · Post #16 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:43 pm

Suns gave away their 1st round pick for money like 3-4 times? And we are talking about 21, 21, 24.

$3M for a 21 pick. I am talking about $8.5M to move from 16-19 to 5-11? And we are talking about the future. We are talking about DAntoni, a coach that is capable of turning scrubs into role players and role players into borderline stars, LOL.

funkatron101 · Post #17 » by **funkatron101** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:51 pm

Hey Marc, How much money does it save Utah? :lol:

Marc · Post #18 » by **Marc** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:00 pm

funkatron101 wrote:Hey Marc, How much money does it save Utah?

I think around $8,5M.

GopherIt! · Post #19 » by **GopherIt!** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:12 pm

funkatron101 wrote:Hey Marc, How much money does it save Utah?

Enough for them to switch to Geiko.

Post #20 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:42 pm

Marc wrote:Suns gave away their 1st round pick for money like 3-4 times? And we are talking about 21, 21, 24.

$3M for a 21 pick. I am talking about $8.5M to move from 16-19 to 5-11? And we are talking about the future. We are talking about DAntoni, a coach that is capable of turning scrubs into role players and role players into borderline stars, LOL.

Dantoni coaches the Knicks, not the Jazz, and those ranges should be more like 1-11 and 16-23. I think the difference in those ranges is potentially very significant and probably worth more than 8.5 million.