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How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#1 » by Wolves2011 » Sat Oct 3, 2009 8:54 pm

This is how I think the minutes should be divided.

C - Jefferson 33 minutes [fewer early in the year - injury recovery], Hollins 10 minutes, Love 5 minutes

PF - Love 31 minutes, Hollins 10 minutes, Gomes 7 minutes

SF - Pavlovic 25 minutes, Gomes 15 minutes, Brewer 8 minutes

SG - Brewer 22 minutes, Sessions 16 minutes, Ellington 10 minutes

PG - Flynn 30 minutes, Sessions 18 minutes

[Team promised Flynn he would start. Though Sessions has been the best guard on the team in camp.]

Pavlovic has been better than Gomes in camp on both shooting and defense.

Pavlovic, Gomes and Brewers minutes could change based on how they play. Gomes has 22, Pavlovic 25 and Brewer 30. Gomes could get more at SF if Pavlovic fails there, and Pavlovic could get more at SG if Corey's shooting or handle are not up to the proper grade.

It will be interesting to see if Kurt lets Flynn play through his learning curve, or eases him in if he has trouble absorbing so much at once.

Jefferson gets only 33 minutes because he starts the year with about 30 minutes per game, [Wolves start the November with 9 games in 14 days, Jefferson will probably need to rest his knee somewhat, but we'll see.]

The two guys we'll be able to count on most in the early season are Love - 36 minutes, and Sessions - 34 minutes.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#2 » by B Calrissian » Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:08 pm

My ideal rotation:

Flynn30/Sessions18
Brewer28/Sessions12/Pavlovic8
Gomes28/Pavlovic20
Love36/Cardinal6/Pecherov6
Jefferson34/Hollins14

I don't want to see Gomes at pf at all.
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Post#3 » by Wolves2011 » Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:28 pm

sometimes opponents "go small" and you sometimes have to match up with them [if you can't stop them defensively.]
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#4 » by C.lupus » Sat Oct 3, 2009 9:38 pm

B Calrissian wrote:My ideal rotation:

Flynn30/Sessions18
Brewer28/Sessions12/Pavlovic8
Gomes28/Pavlovic20
Love36/Cardinal6/Pecherov6
Jefferson34/Hollins14

I don't want to see Gomes at pf at all.

This looks about right to me except I'd switch Ellington for Pavlovic at the 2.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#5 » by southern wolf » Sun Oct 4, 2009 4:51 am

I would be disappointed if Ellington only got 8 minutes. I know Pavlovic is a handy defender and he's experienced, but looking long-term I think it would be wise to give Ellington more minutes in his rookie season.
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Post#6 » by Esohny » Sun Oct 4, 2009 5:24 am

southern wolf wrote:I would be disappointed if Ellington only got 8 minutes. I know Pavlovic is a handy defender and he's experienced, but looking long-term I think it would be wise to give Ellington more minutes in his rookie season.


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Post#7 » by C.lupus » Sun Oct 4, 2009 3:54 pm

Good point. I didn't mean to undervalue Ellington. The wing minutes are kind of up in the air with Brewer, Ellington, and Sasha being somewhat unknowns (as far as how they will respond/develop on the court). Maybe this is more reasonable:

Flynn28/Sessions20
Brewer24/Sessions10/Ellington 14
Gomes24/Pavlovic24
Love36/Cardinal6/Pecherov6
Jefferson34/Hollins14

Don't know how wilkins fits in, either.
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Post#8 » by Narf » Sun Oct 4, 2009 6:50 pm

Does anyone else think McClintock will get a good 10-12 MPG his rookie year?
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#9 » by revprodeji » Sun Oct 4, 2009 6:58 pm

I do not think he will make the team. If he does he will go to the D league.
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Post#10 » by Narf » Sun Oct 4, 2009 7:12 pm

Before the draft I actually thought we might take McClintock with the 28th pick, until Ellington was there anyway. He was probably the best 3 point shooter in the draft.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#11 » by Worm Guts » Sun Oct 4, 2009 8:00 pm

Even if he did make the team, I don't know how he gets minutes with Flynn and Sessions on the team.
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Post#12 » by B Calrissian » Sun Oct 4, 2009 10:30 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Even if he did make the team, I don't know how he gets minutes with Flynn and Sessions on the team.


Exactly, people were talking about Daniels getting minutes too. Flynn and Sessions will take up all the PG minutes and some at SG.
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Post#13 » by Narf » Sun Oct 4, 2009 11:27 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Even if he did make the team, I don't know how he gets minutes with Flynn and Sessions on the team.

Exactly, people were talking about Daniels getting minutes too. Flynn and Sessions will take up all the PG minutes and some at SG.

Daniels is an old journeyman, this is a rookie with potential. I don't know that I see them very similar. I see him having to work his way into the rotation, so the NBDL to start is certainly an option. But this is not some chump with potential, this is the ACC all time 3 point leader. He could come in shooting 43% from 3. Here's his draft express profile:

Despite playing on a bad team with few other scoring options, McClinton was the most efficient shooting guard in our database at 1.08 PPP. He also ranked second in logged FG% at 47%, on a very respectable 18.6 possessions per game. Showing clear-cut limitations as a finisher around the basket (2nd worst amongst all SGs in fact), McClinton’s best asset is his jump shot. He was above average in PPP in his 1.9 guarded catch and shoot shots per game at 1.09, but was off the charts at 1.8 PPP on 2.5 unguarded catch and shoot shots per game. He was also the best pull up shooter in our database at 1.08 PPP on 5.5 shots per game.

Though he didn’t stand out on the pick and roll or in transition, McClinton’s 1.07 PPP on 4 isolation possessions per game lead us to believe that he has most of the raw tools required to be an excellent threat to score off the bench. He shot over 50% in one-on-one situations driving in either direction, making him the most balanced player on our list. Even though he took a lot of threes, McClinton still scored on a higher percentage of his logged possessions than any other two at 47%. Though he’ll need to expand his range a bit and show that he can produce at the same level he did this season, it isn’t inconceivable that he develops into an Eddie House type player down the road.


Seems like an ideal shooter off the bench to me.
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Post#14 » by B Calrissian » Sun Oct 4, 2009 11:37 pm

None of this^ changes the fact that they would both be the 3rd PG behind Flynn and Sessions. I don't care if he can play SG, he is just a little over six feet tall.
Why would they need to have anything else in common than that for my point to be valid?
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Post#15 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 12:09 am

B Calrissian wrote:None of this^ changes the fact that they would both be the 3rd PG behind Flynn and Sessions. I don't care if he can play SG, he is just a little over six feet tall.
Why would they need to have anything else in common than that for my point to be valid?
We need an injury backup at PG and he's more of a SG on offense. I expect he'd play with Sessions or Flynn in limited minutes, not bench them. I conceded that he might start in the NBDL, but I think he's good enough to earn minutes as an absurdly efficient scorer. What part of that are you disagreeing with?
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#16 » by B Calrissian » Mon Oct 5, 2009 12:15 am

I am disagreeing with the notion of playing three guys 6'3" or shorter.
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Post#17 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 12:34 am

B Calrissian wrote:I am disagreeing with the notion of playing three guys 6'3" or shorter.
Someone should tell Portland that :D
I think height matters a lot less than talent as instant offense off the bench. If we were talking about a starter (or even a 6th man) I would agree. But this is a different role.
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Post#18 » by B Calrissian » Mon Oct 5, 2009 12:47 am

What?
Miller 6'1" / Blake 6'3"
Roy 6'6" / Rudy 6'6"

You must be huge Nate Robinson fan.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#19 » by AQuintus » Mon Oct 5, 2009 12:51 am

Narf wrote:Someone should tell Portland that :D I think height matters a lot less than talent as instant offense off the bench. If we were talking about a starter (or even a 6th man) I would agree. But this is a different role.


I think I might be missing something. Portland has a guard rotation of 6'1" Andre Miller, 6'3" Steve Blake, 6'7" Brandon Roy, and 6'6" Rudy Fernandez.

Edit: Took too long typing the second part. :(

Either way, there just won't be 10-12 minutes per game for a guy like Jack McClinton, which probably doesn't matter because based on draft camp reports, he won't make the team anyway. What this team needs out of the third string PG is a guy who is willing to sit on the bench and mentor the young guys without complaining. Basically we need a Mark Madsen type PG.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#20 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:06 am

I said 10 minutes per game, and you think he's our primary backup?
He's the 3rd PG/3rd SG (4th including Sessions). You should be comparing him to Bayless, not Fernandez.

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