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Love "out" + Sessions PT = Lottery 

Post#1 » by Wolves2011 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:02 am

Love is going to miss the first twenty games of the season.

Sessions is only playing part time, because Rambo doesn't like Flynn and Sessions on the court together.

Two out of our best 3 players will not be playing starters minutes for a full season.

Add that to new players, coaches, schemes, young etc, etc....

And all those who said we are locked into the lottery are probably now right.

So who are the top picks according to draft express:

1) John Wall 6' 3" PG freshman

2) Derrick Favors 6' 9" PF/C freshman

3) Willie Warren 6'4" SG sophmore

4) Cole Aldrich 6' 11" C Junior

5) Donatas Motiejunas 6' 11" PF/C - 19 yo int'l

6) Ed Davis 6'9" PF sophmore

7) Evan Turner 6'7" SG/SF sophmore

8) Al-Farouq Aminu 6'8" SF/PF sophmore

9) John Henson 6" 10" PF freshman

10) Greg Monroe 6' 11" PF/C sophmore

11) Malcolm Lee 6" 5" SG sophmore

12) Devin Ebanks 6' 8" SF/PF sophmore


We also have Charlottes pick top 12 protected and Utah's [I think top 17 protected]

13) Patrick Patterson 6' 8" PF Junior

14) Solomon Alabi 7' 1" C sophmore

15) Larry Sanders 6' 9" PF/C junior

16) Jan Vesely 6' 11" C 19 yo int'l

17) Avery Bradley 6' 3" SG freshman

18) Kyle Singler 6'9" SF/PF junior

19) Tyshawn Taylor 6' 3" PG sophmore

20) Craig Brackins 6' 10" PF/C junior

21) Terrico White 6' 5" PG/SG sophmore

22) Jerome Jordan 7' 0" C senior

23) Trevor Booker 6' 7' PF senior

24) Xavier Henry 6' 6" SG freshman

25) DeMarcus Cousins 6' 10" PF/C freshman

26) Gani Lawal 6' 8" PF/C junior

27) Stanley Robinson 6' 9" SF/PF senior

28) Sylven Landesberg 6'6" SG sophmore

29) Andrew Ogilvy 7' 0" C junior

30) James Anderson 6' 6" SG/SF junior

anyone else not on Draft Express list for 2010, worth considering?

Some food for thought.

High draft picks top 5 or 10 are expensive.

So if we take another Center/PF or PG we probably need to trade one of the guys we've got.

Either Love or Jefferson up front

If we take another PG we need to trade both Rubio and Flynn.
[Now we need to trade just one - Rubio, since he won't be here and up to speed for 3 or 4 years]

[Sessions contract is a great price for what he offers]

So in all likelihood we are looking at a SF or SG with our lottery pick.

the options are:

3) Willie Warren 6'4" SG sophmore

7) Evan Turner 6'7" SG/SF sophmore

8) Al-Farouq Aminu 6'8" SF/PF sophmore

11) Malcolm Lee 6" 5" SG sophmore

12) Devin Ebanks 6' 8" SF/PF sophmore


The Charlotte or Utah picks are much more open.

Thoughts on any or all of above.
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Post#2 » by hotshotschamp » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:32 am

there are 2 elite players in this draft...

1. john wall
2. Derrick Favors

if you get a top 2 pick, you simply take 1 of them, regardless of position they play and how it affects are team. Both of those guys can be franchise type players. Wall is also like Wade in the sense he can be a combo guard, more suited to play 2 then wolves were gonna try with sessions. He's a special, special talent. While Favors can play the 3 or 4 just an athletic specimen, who is gonna be a beast in the nba.

if we pick 3-10

guys to seriously consider -

1. Evan Turner- He's a poor mans, but not too poor version of Brandy Roy
2. Cole Aldrich - could be that center we have needed for so long, nice he's from here too
3. John henson- Pure talent, freshman from NC
4. Devin Ebanks- SF from west virginia, watch out for him this year, he's a beast!!
5. Paul George- A very good sized SG from Fresno state, look for him to get exposure this year.

Favors or wall though give this team a legit future superstar, if we pick top 2, you have to take them, simple as that, and if you don't and trade the pick you better get a star.
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Post#3 » by mnWI » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:44 am

hotshotschamp wrote:there are 2 elite players in this draft...

1. john wall
2. Derrick Favors

if you get a top 2 pick, you simply take 1 of them, regardless of position they play and how it affects are team. Both of those guys can be franchise type players. Wall is also like Wade in the sense he can be a combo guard, more suited to play 2 then wolves were gonna try with sessions. He's a special, special talent. While Favors can play the 3 or 4 just an athletic specimen, who is gonna be a beast in the nba.

if we pick 3-10

guys to seriously consider -

1. Evan Turner- He's a poor mans, but not too poor version of Brandy Roy
2. Cole Aldrich - could be that center we have needed for so long, nice he's from here too
3. John henson- Pure talent, freshman from NC
4. Devin Ebanks- SF from west virginia, watch out for him this year, he's a beast!!
5. Paul George- A very good sized SG from Fresno state, look for him to get exposure this year.

Favors or wall though give this team a legit future superstar, if we pick top 2, you have to take them, simple as that, and if you don't and trade the pick you better get a star.

Wall is closer to Derrick Rose, except he has the tools to be better (note: I'm not saying he will be better). He's bigger, better defensively, longer, quicker with the ball, and has better natural court vision. Just as bad a shooter at the same stage, and not as good as Rose as a half-court pg yet, but damn does he have a chance to be special. I don't know where the combo-guard stuff comes from though, he's a true point.
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Post#4 » by hotshotschamp » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:52 am

regardless of whether he's a true point, i also think he can play some 2 forsure. But my point is that Wall and Favors are the 2 to go after regardless of what position we need most.

NBA is a superstar league, and I feel both these guys can be that. You worry about the rest of your roster later, especially for a team as bad as the twolves are now.. Rubio can be traded as can sessions down the line, if a Wall is there you simply can't pass on talent that is that good.
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Post#5 » by mnWI » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:03 am

hotshotschamp wrote:regardless of whether he's a true point, i also think he can play some 2 forsure. But my point is that Wall and Favors are the 2 to go after regardless of what position we need most.

NBA is a superstar league, and I feel both these guys can be that. You worry about the rest of your roster later, especially for a team as bad as the twolves are now.. Rubio can be traded as can sessions down the line, if a Wall is there you simply can't pass on talent that is that good.

Disagree about Wall playing some 2. You WANT the ball in his hands as much as possible. You don't keep an inferior point guard around just to play a guy out of position and take the ball out of his hands.

Again, I said you take a guy like Wall every time though. I don't think he can be as good as Chris Paul, but probably can turn out a bit better than Rose.
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Post#6 » by klemen4 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:15 am

Hello MIN fans, just my look at the situation and schedule.

As one poster on your board said, if Love mises 6-8 weeks like Kahn MIN said will have hard time first month.

6-8 weeks could mean missing up to November 27 - December 11.

My prediction:

Sun 01 @ Phoenix
Mon 02 @ LA Clippers
Wed 04 vs Boston
Fri 06 vs Milwaukee
Sun 08 @ Portland
Mon 09 @ Golden State
Wed 11 vs Portland
Fri 13 vs Dallas

Sat 14 @ Memphis
Wed 18 vs Houston
Sat 21 @ Portland
Mon 23 @ LA Clippers
Wed 25 vs Denver
Fri 27 vs Phoenix
Sun 29 @ Denver

December
Wed 02 vs Memphis
Fri 04 @ New Orleans
Sat 05 vs Utah
Tue 08 @ Toronto
Wed 09 vs New Orleans
Fri 11 @ LA Lakers


- 13 bold games
Max 3:10

- Remaining 8 games:
--Home: MIl, Hou, Pho, Mem 3:1
--Away: Lac 2x, Gsw, Mem 2:2

That makes best case scenario 8:13 score, but I think without Love could be more 5:16 score

Your opinion?
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Post#7 » by hotshotschamp » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:18 am

hmmm i think given a year or two derrick rose will be every bit as good as chris paul. I guess we'll have to see where he goes with that.

Thinking about it logically getting #2 pick and takin Favors is probably our best bet, he can play 3 or the 4, and brewer is not our answer nor is gomes at the 3.

pg= flynn/sessions
sg= Joe johnson ( FA ) wishful thinking maybe..
Sf- Derrick Favors
PF- Kevin Love
C- Al jefferson

That would be a solid little lineup, and you still have rubio as a major chip, whether it be to bring him over or for trade bait down the line.
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Post#8 » by hotshotschamp » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:21 am

to the person who replied above me.

Without Love, who this year looked to be a 18 and 11-12 type of player, and foye/miller are gone and all we have really added of significance is Sessions who is splitting time with a rookie. We could seriously be looking at a team who wins maybe only a COUPLE of games without Love till he gets back. On top of that Al Jefferson isn't 100% and will need time to round into shape. I fully expect us to have the worst record in ball after the first month.
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Post#9 » by mnWI » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:28 am

hotshotschamp wrote:hmmm i think given a year or two derrick rose will be every bit as good as chris paul. I guess we'll have to see where he goes with that..

Disagree. The thing people miss about Chris Paul is the incredible microscopic level that he sees the game on. I'd hire him as a head coach today, his basketball IQ is through the roof. I was speaking to a former NBA head coach who went against Paul his rookie year, and said he'd never seen a rookie command the attention with their leadership that the way Chris Paul did. And when he talks to his teammates, he tells them exactly what is going to happen, and how their going to take advantage of the given situation. As a 20 year-old, Paul could sit their in a timeout with even his coach listening, and tell his team they were running horns up 5, and Tyson Chandler was going to change his angle and dive hard against the blue and David West was going to pop. Rose doesn't have anywhere close to this IQ or understanding of the game, and I don't think it's something that is easily acquired either. Not to say Rose won't be a damn good player, because he will. But Paul was much better at setting up his teammates when he was Rose's age, and has only become better at this.

In my dream world, the Wolves would get Wall and then trade Rubio's rights and Ellington to the Clippers for Gordon, a player who is better than OJ Mayo. Wall and Gordon would be an unreal tandem on both ends of the floor, and fit perfectly next to each other offensively.
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Post#10 » by hotshotschamp » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:32 am

ok so we get wall im down with that....im down with trading rubio/ellington for gordon, i agree he's a star in the making.

However, what do you do with flynn, he's not a backup pg, you took him 6th overall for a reason. Do you trade both your top picks flynn/rubio then from this draft. I got a feeling lots of people gonna be loving flynn after this year, even though he'll be on a horrible team.

If you keep flynn, you have wall, sessions and flynn, that is too much PG
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Post#11 » by mnWI » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:35 am

hotshotschamp wrote:ok so we get wall im down with that....im down with trading rubio/ellington for gordon, i agree he's a star in the making.

However, what do you do with flynn, he's not a backup pg, you took him 6th overall for a reason. Do you trade both your top picks flynn/rubio then from this draft. I got a feeling lots of people gonna be loving flynn after this year, even though he'll be on a horrible team.

If you keep flynn, you have wall, sessions and flynn, that is too much PG

There would be a deal out there for Sessions or Flynn for sure, but like I said that's my dream scenario and highly unrealistic. If you had Wall/Gordon you'd obviously look for an upgrade at the three with one of Flynn and Sessions, preferably a veteran.
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Post#12 » by Foye » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:30 pm

It hurts. :(

With Love out there is a reason fewer to stand up in the night and watch (probably ugly) Timberwolves games. :(
With Love out we'll be really bad in the first two months of the season AGAIN...
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Post#13 » by The J Rocka » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:55 pm

We are due to have a top 2 pick anyways....

I think David Stern likes Kahn so the lotto shouldn't be rigged (for us anyways)
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Post#14 » by Worm Guts » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:19 pm

I don't think the Clippers would trade Gordon unless we blew them away with an offer.
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Post#15 » by revprodeji » Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:25 pm

Rubio+Ellington is a crazy good offer.

Oh yes..another draft thread. And the OP just copy/paste DX..just like the others did.
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Post#16 » by cpfsf » Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:33 pm

Clippers definitely value Gordon over Rubio. I think they are almost a playoff team.
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Post#17 » by jdub114 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:01 pm

Favors will never be 3
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Post#18 » by skorff26 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Favors is a lot more likely to be a 5 than a 3. I would pick him for sure at #2 since he is clearly the second best player in the draft.
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Post#19 » by hotshotschamp » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:58 pm

thats my whole stance as well, he's a player, regardless of position, just take talent. We aren't 1 player away. NBA is a superstar league.
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Post#20 » by big3_8_19_21 » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:09 pm

hotshotschamp wrote:thats my whole stance as well, he's a player, regardless of position, just take talent. We aren't 1 player away. NBA is a superstar league.


This is the kind of thinking that got us Ricky Rubio...and for the record, that's a very good thing. I fully support drafting BPA.
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