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cpfsf · Post #1 » by **cpfsf** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:03 am

Gomes Flynn for Gay Thabeet at the trade deadline. I accidentally posted on NYK's forum (I guess that's what I get for ripping on them all the time). Whenever I post there, it feels like I'm being beaten up by 17 midgets with baseball bats.

Rubio Sessions
Brewer Ellington
Gay
Jefferson Love
Thabeet Pekovic

Flynn Conley
Mayo
Gomes Carroll
Randolph Arthur
Gasol

Post #2 » by **Klomp** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:04 am

cpfsf wrote:Gomes Flynn for Gay Thabeet at the trade deadline. I accidentally posted on NYK's forum (I guess that's what I get for ripping on them all the time). Whenever I post there, it feels like I'm being beaten up by 17 midgets with baseball bats.

Rubio Sessions
Brewer Ellington
Gay
Jefferson Love
Thabeet Pekovic

Flynn Conley
Mayo
Gomes Carroll
Randolph Arthur
Gasol

Definitely not on our end. Would have to be Sessions and Gomes for me to even consider.

hotshotschamp · Post #3 » by **hotshotschamp** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:14 am

no freak way...

thabeet= the suck

and just get gay or a player similar to him in FA. Why trade Flynn?

PeeDee · Post #4 » by **PeeDee** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:32 am

Sign Gay without giving up Flynn plz.

Esohny · Post #5 » by **Esohny** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:31 am

No interest in Thabust.

Foye · Post #6 » by **Foye** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:55 am

I'd consider it if Rubio was here and it was clear that he's our starter of the future but I don't have that much interest in Thabeet and Gay is definitely overrated.

Post #7 » by **Basti** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:32 pm

meh. Johnny Flynn stays here for awhile.

PeeDee · Post #8 » by **PeeDee** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:22 pm

Question: How is Gay overrated when 99% of posters say he's overrated?

BTW: Here are his averages so far this year:
16.5 ppg, 7rpg, 51.9 fg%, 2 apg, 1.5 spg

That doesn't sound like a player we need on the Wolves at all does it? There no way we could use a young player at a position of need who puts up these kind of numbers. :roll:

Esohny · Post #9 » by **Esohny** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:52 pm

PeeDee wrote:Question: How is Gay overrated when 99% of posters say he's overrated?

BTW: Here are his averages so far this year:
16.5 ppg, 7rpg, 51.9 fg%, 2 apg, 1.5 spg

That doesn't sound like a player we need on the Wolves at all does it? There no way we could use a young player at a position of need who puts up these kind of numbers.

I don't think that many people say he's overrated. It's pretty well known that he's big and athletic, is a talented scorer and decent shooter, but doesn't play defense or give up the ball very readily. There are also questions about his attitude and work ethic. I'd say he's pretty fairly rated.

As for whether I'd want him here? I'd only gamble on him(hoping that the combined forces of our superstar coaching staff could get through to him) if we strike out on all the better options, and I'd prefer to just sign him when he's a free agent(I honestly don"t think Memphis is that motivated to match a deal) than give up Flynn now. I'd rather overpay for a guy like Iggy than overpay for Gay.

Post #10 » by **The J Rocka** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:05 pm

Flynn is here for a good long time, if we got get Gay it's for Gomes + expirings

but we would just wait for FA then

jade_hippo · Post #11 » by **jade_hippo** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:13 pm

Why trade assets for gay now when its looking like we can have him at the end of the season for capspace. We actually have a rookie worth a damn, I think we should keep him for once.

nbatim · Post #12 » by **nbatim** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:08 pm

I'd actually think of all the free agents, Rudy Gay is one of the least likely to (re-)sign with the wolves. He's probably really really sick of the jokes about his last name by now, and joining a team with Kevin Love won't help that at all.
Given equal offers, he'd probably rather sign with any other team.
Hopefully I'm wrong, and he's used to it and just doesn't care any more.

Wolves2011 · Post #13 » by **Wolves2011** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:16 pm

cpfsf wrote:Gomes Flynn for Gay Thabeet at the trade deadline. I accidentally posted on NYK's forum (I guess that's what I get for ripping on them all the time). Whenever I post there, it feels like I'm being beaten up by 17 midgets with baseball bats.

Rubio Sessions
Brewer Ellington
Gay
Jefferson Love
Thabeet Pekovic

Flynn Conley
Mayo
Gomes Carroll
Randolph Arthur
Gasol

Gay will want big money to resign next season, and I personally don't think he is worth it. I can provide stats to show it, but from your initial post, I don't think you like stats. [I'd go even further and say I don't like Gay as a player, but again it takes the stats to prove why.] Thabeet could be the biggest bust in the draft. So far he is doing nothing in summer league or in the short season, to counteract that fear.

We also don't get Rubio for 2 more years. So for the rest of this season and next season we have Sessions at PG, not Rubio. Flynn is proving to be a "great scoring PG". [His passing skills are still suspect until he can get a decent assist to turnover ratio.] So trading Flynn and Gomes who both have trade value doesn't help us with this trade, in my view.

imrickyrubio · Post #14 » by **imrickyrubio** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:27 pm

why are there so many posts to dump flynn after 2 games? He's been our best player through 2 and with Blake Griffin out flynn's got a great shot to look at this years ROY award, i think it's clear that after flynn gets adjusted 80-90% to this NBA game these filler minutes sessions is getting will disappear and he's the guy to get rid of. we desperately need to find a way to get Jefferson the ball and not having him guarded by someone 3" 40lbs+ on him, he's not that quick. I don't think thabeet will be a star by any means but the shot blocking our 4's/5's would have would be pretty nasty.

Post #15 » by **The J Rocka** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:49 pm

I don't want Flynn traded or packaged in a deal ever (unless we are talking Superstar) which is even a stretch because just in his first 2 games, he's looking like a true leader with real high star potential and he's playing like hes been in the league for years and he's only gonna get better.

PeeDee · Post #16 » by **PeeDee** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:36 pm

Wolves2011, let's see these stats on Gay that has you say the Wolves shouldn't acquire him. And don't pull out these WOW stats or +/- or PER stats either. They might be interesting but for every one of them I can debunk.

Also, in your campaign against him, have you considered his current coaching staff? The quality of his current organization? Have you considered his teammates? Have you considered his youth? His genetic traits?

Have you considered our coaching staff? Our front office's commitment to quality young players to build a team that can compete year after year?

If you haven't I implore you to do so. Looking at the career stats of Gay shows me a player that is very productive at a position we need. He is not even in his prime yet. Not even close.

Also, I found this funny:

nbatim wrote:I'd actually think of all the free agents, Rudy Gay is one of the least likely to (re-)sign with the wolves. He's probably really really sick of the jokes about his last name by now, and joining a team with Kevin Love won't help that at all.
Given equal offers, he'd probably rather sign with any other team.
Hopefully I'm wrong, and he's used to it and just doesn't care any more.

I'm guessing after Gay was 5'10" in the 3rd grade he stopped hearing the gay jokes. I'm guessing after it was apparent he'd be an NBA shoe in, people stopped making fun. I'm guessing he's alright with his name considering his position.

Don't get me wrong, I have zero interest in the OP's trade proposal. I just want the Wolves to simply sign Gay in the offseason.

Jefferson
Love
Gay
???
Flynn

That's a hell of a lineup. We'd just need another starting quality wing player and we'd be in the postseason soon after.

Post #17 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:23 pm

SnP loves Rudy

http://www.canishoopus.com/2009/10/8/10 ... e-for-rudy

We acknowledge that statistically he might not be a stud, but he has the tools and on a team lacking wing scorers he could be the real deal. You put Rudy next to a Turner-type and his teammates will help him to score instead of taking the ball from him.

Pekovic(30)/Hollins(12)
Al(30)/Love(25)
Gay(30)/Brewer(20)
Turner(25)/Flynn(12)/Ellingson (8)
Rubio(30)/Flynn(18)

Basic 8 man rotation of Pekovic, Al, Gay, Turner, Rubio, Love, Brewer, Flynn with Hollins/Ellingson picking up spare minutes.

(not counting the assets of Sessions/Char pick)

PeeDee · Post #18 » by **PeeDee** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:27 pm

I know you're not that high on acquiring Gay, Rev. Thanks for looking at multiple sides. I think that he best fits us for what we need, his physical traits, and his youth. I'm willing to gamble about all the negative stuff people say about him because I believe in the right system, he'll flourish.

Getting both Gay and Turner next Summer would be awesome.

Post #19 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:31 pm

I do not mind Gay if we do not give up too much for him. If we sign him outright (likely overpay) or if we give up a smaller trade package (the OP is horrible) I do not mind getting him. I think as a natural scorer he would flourish next to playmakers as Turner/Love/Rubio.

shrink · Post #20 » by **shrink** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:35 pm

First, to answer the question how Gay can be over-rated and under-rated? I'd say its even more complex than that.

Simple people admire his scoring.

More complex people who look deeper into the stats see that some of his ratios aren't the greatest, and he doesn't seem to work-and-play well with OJ Mayo.

Even more complex people look at Gay and say that even with some bad ratios, he has great physical tools, and the chance to improve to star level. He's not going to get star money where he is right now. This season, hs offensive numbers will decline, and people may become worried about his attitude when the ball keeps going to Mayo and Iverson and Zach Randolph. Gay is going to be a risk, but he could get locked up in a good contract, and still become star potential. These are the type of players that I think MIN should look for.

Personally, I'd be reluctant to offer anything for Gay. I don't think poor MEM is going to match offers for Rudy next summer, and he's the type of guy MIN might be able to acquire, since they can take on that risk.