Might we regret not picking up Pecherov?

Wolves2011 · Post #1 » by **Wolves2011** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 7:35 pm

He is 3rd in the NBA in PER at 24.82!!

He really can shoot and has some other skills. Was surprised how well he did against the Celtics defense. He more than anyone else in that game, showed me more than I expected.

tvwolves7 · Post #2 » by **tvwolves7** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:10 pm

Wolves2011 wrote:He is 3rd in the NBA in PER at 24.82!!

He really can shoot and has some other skills. Was surprised how well he did against the Celtics defense. He more than anyone else in that game, showed me more than I expected.

I like his game, but he is too much of a risk still to have wanted to pick up his option. The organization made the right decision for what they had seen of him so far and if he continues to play well, I hope we sign him. But after 5 games I am not going to jump to any conclusions.

dunkonu21 · Post #3 » by **dunkonu21** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:44 pm

Valid question. I wouldn't mind bringing him back. But we need to make sure he work ethic is there and he can get tougher. Other than that I'm actually impressed so far.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #4 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 8:59 pm

probably not, right now people are giving him the "we don't know who you are" treatment and letting him shoot, once they start taking that away the party is over because he hasn't shown any ability to drive or shoot off the dribble or rebound or defend

Wolves2011 · Post #5 » by **Wolves2011** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:05 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:probably not, right now people are giving him the "we don't know who you are" treatment and letting him shoot, once they start taking that away the party is over because he hasn't shown any ability to drive or shoot off the dribble or rebound or defend

I agree its early to say we made a mistake not picking him up.... but I am impressed with what I've seen.

He is getting open shots because everyone overplays Jefferson. Last season, no one consistently knocked down open jumpers, when Jefferson was being doubled and tripled. Pecherov has that "Nowitzgi thing" going. He is so tall that he gets his shot off and has range.

As long as Jefferson is on the floor, Pecherov will continue to get "good looks". As long as he knocks them down, he is doing his job.

PeeDee · Post #6 » by **PeeDee** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:05 pm

What? You don't consider his hunchback-hobble-dribble a valid basketball move?

Post #7 » by **Klomp** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:29 pm

People seem to not understand that even though we declined his option, we can still sign him at the end of the year.....

Wolves2011 · Post #8 » by **Wolves2011** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:47 pm

klomp44 wrote:People seem to not understand that even though we declined his option, we can still sign him at the end of the year.....

I understand we can still sign him, but we don't in any way control his rights. If he continues to play as well as he has somebody could offer him an MLE or possibly more. 11 pts and 4.4 rebounds in 17 minutes is nice.

I'm not saying Kahn made a poor decision, we didn't know enough on October 31 to pick him up. But we might regret not picking him up, if he continues to play as he has in the first 5 games.

Again, its not criticism of Kahn. I just wish we controlled his rights.

Post #9 » by **Klomp** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 9:51 pm

Pecherov, in a normal NBA economy, would not get an MLE deal.

Wolves2011 · Post #10 » by **Wolves2011** » Thu Nov 5, 2009 10:00 pm

klomp44 wrote:Pecherov, in a normal NBA economy, would not get an MLE deal.

If Pecherov played 20 minutes and averaged 13 pts and 5 rebounds, you don't think he get an MLE Gortat averaged 4 pts and 5 rebounds and got an MLE.

Post #11 » by **Basti** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:23 am

Wolves2011 wrote:
klomp44 wrote:Pecherov, in a normal NBA economy, would not get an MLE deal.

If Pecherov played 20 minutes and averaged 13 pts and 5 rebounds, you don't think he get an MLE Gortat averaged 4 pts and 5 rebounds and got an MLE.

no because Orlando can afford paying Gortat for what he brings. plus Gortat, even though slightly overpaid, is still a decent trade asset.

as far as not picking up Stewies option, I'm fine with it because Stewie, prior to the season didn't show a lot justifying picking up his option. let him earn his contract. especially with other good/great big men around such as Al and Love. players like Stewie can be found somewhere else, be it through free agency or the draft.

LOBO 7 · Post #12 » by **LOBO 7** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:30 am

I've been on the Pecherov bandwagon for a while now, but I still think we had no choice but to not extend him. I'm confident that if he shows he's worth re-signing we will make him a fair offer and I also think he would rather stay here that sign for similar money elsewhere, unless a contender makes an offer. There is a nice long interview with him on timberwolves.com today:

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/th ... 11_05.html

He's definitely a pretty intelligent dude and it seems like he's more confident and comfortable than he's ever been. I really think the effects of having a good coaching staff are starting to manifest themselves and Pecherov's emergence is one example of that. Also, he's got one SEXY accent.

deeney0 · Post #13 » by **deeney0** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:42 am

Anything's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Post #14 » by **TheFranchise21** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 12:52 am

Sure we might regret it down the road if he becomes a good player, but the right decision was made at the time.

casey · Post #15 » by **casey** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 2:16 am

klomp44 wrote:Pecherov, in a normal NBA economy, would not get an MLE deal.

Pecherov, in any NBA economy, would get a minimum deal.

Breakdown777 · Post #16 » by **Breakdown777** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 3:25 am

Pech is nothing more than a tall guy that can shoot. When he gets minutes, he will have great games and horrible games. Consistancy is the problem. He is horribly one dimensional, and while a shooting big is a nice dimension, there is no need to commit to him (especially for this team). Any scrub has the potential to blow up on a given night when they are playing for a team like MN. At this stage of his career, he is more comparable to the Channing Fryes and Brian Cooks, not the Dirk's.

Why is every tall Euro with a decent stroke compared to Dirk? What a bunch stereotyping schmucks.

Wolves2011 · Post #17 » by **Wolves2011** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:30 pm

Breakdown777 wrote:Pech is nothing more than a tall guy that can shoot. When he gets minutes, he will have great games and horrible games. Consistancy is the problem. He is horribly one dimensional, and while a shooting big is a nice dimension, there is no need to commit to him (especially for this team). Any scrub has the potential to blow up on a given night when they are playing for a team like MN. At this stage of his career, he is more comparable to the Channing Fryes and Brian Cooks, not the Dirk's.

Why is every tall Euro with a decent stroke compared to Dirk? What a bunch stereotyping schmucks.

being a 7 footer, he's also a decent rebounder.

someone who can hit open jumpers, with range as tall as he is, is someone of value.

Think Dirk, Okur and Bargnani - not as good but that type of player.

Thats actually one reason everyone thinks so highly of Love. He stretched the floor in college and hit the college 3 pointer, as well as having a low post game.

Again, I'm NOT saying Kahn made a mistake. We had too little information about Pecherov, when the decision had to be made. But if he continues to play as well as he has I think his talents will be in demand. Will the Wolves be his first choice? Probably. We gave him a legitimate chance to play, and with luck has a good relationship with coaches and teammates, but it might cost us more than the option would have.

Wolves2011 · Post #18 » by **Wolves2011** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:45 pm

from pioneer press:

"Pecherov's quick rise to clutch stature had teammates wishing they could have gotten the ball to him more often in the closing minutes. The surge in confidence from teammates and the coaching staff gave the Ukraine native a warm feeling."

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me:

Pecherov's shooting is something the wolves have needed for years. Many hoped it was McCants, Miller and Foye last year. But McCants and Foye were streaky and Miller didn't want to shoot.

If Pecherov can consistently hit open looks, and he will have many of them when Al is doubled and tripled, he is a weapon on our team.

Wolves2011 · Post #19 » by **Wolves2011** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:48 pm

http://blogs.twincities.com/timberwolve ... herov.html

By Ray Richardson on November 5, 2009 9:51 AM | No Comments | No TrackBacks

Timberwolves forward Oleksiy Pecherov has become the team's most improved player, and he's done it in the past three games. When Pecherov, as Wolves coach Kurt Rambis puts it, "learns how to compete in this league and gets a better understanding of our offense and defense," the Wolves might get quality production out of a player they weren't sure about.

The 7-foot Pecherov, a three-year veteran from Ukraine, came to the Wolves from the Washington Wizards in June in the draft-day trade that shipped out Mike Miller and Randy Foye. Pecherov was a relative unknown, but that could change.

Rambis has started Percherov the past four games, and his career-high 24 points against Boston Wednesday night will keep him in the starting lineup.

One thing that is already clear about Pech: He has the best shooting touch on the team. For a 7-footer, he could be a role model on shooting technique. He has a quick, smooth delivery, which makes it hard for opposing players to bother his shot. As a spot-up shooter on the baseline or from three-point distance, Pech is by far the Wolves' best performer.

What really stood out in the Wolves' tough loss to the Celtics is that Pech scored 10 of his 24 in the fourth quarter to keep the Wolves in position to win. His best of the night came with 4 1/2 minutes left when he posted up Celtics guard Paul Pierce and drove past him for a clutch layup.

So when Pech learns the nuances Rambis was talking about, Pech should be an enjoyable player to watch the rest of the season. This is a critical season for Pech. He was told Monday by Wolves president of basketball operations David Kahn that his contract will not be extended. Pech will have to earn a new deal based on how he plays over the next 77 games. Right now, Pech is making a strong case for himself.

GARNETT JAB AT FLYNN?: During a postgame interview Wednesday night with NBATV, Kevin Garnett said one of the Wolves guards "didn't know what he was doing," a reference to how Celtics guard Rajon Rondo had several open layups under the basket.

Garnett didn't identify the Wolves guard, but he most likely was referring to rookie Jonny Flynn. Flynn was on the floor in the third quarter when Rondo got hot. He scored 14 of his 18 points in the third quarter. The NBA is tough on rookies in a lot of ways.

Krapinsky · Post #20 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Nov 6, 2009 7:01 pm

I do like the way he can stretch the floor. As such, he is a good off the bench compliment to Al. That said, when Love returns he should never play more than 20 minutes.