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trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:51 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
Let's face it, interior defense is a joke and every center this season is raping Big Al, especially since he lost lots of weight. Wolves need a rock at center, a guy that can stand up to a guy like Oden and be athletic enough to block shots of penetrating guards.

so here's a trade past Dec 15th

Sessions, Wilkins, Hollins for

Gortat, A.Johnson, Reddick.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:58 pm
by Wolves2011
james harden wrote:Let's face it, interior defense is a joke and every center this season is raping Big Al, especially since he lost lots of weight. Wolves need a rock at center, a guy that can stand up to a guy like Oden and be athletic enough to block shots of penetrating guards.

so here's a trade past Dec 15th

Sessions, Wilkins, Hollins for

Gortat, A.Johnson, Reddick.


and orlando does this because??

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:09 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
Wolves2011 wrote:
james harden wrote:Let's face it, interior defense is a joke and every center this season is raping Big Al, especially since he lost lots of weight. Wolves need a rock at center, a guy that can stand up to a guy like Oden and be athletic enough to block shots of penetrating guards.

so here's a trade past Dec 15th

Sessions, Wilkins, Hollins for

Gortat, A.Johnson, Reddick.


and orlando does this because??


Because they pay Gortat long term MLE money to play 12 min behind Howard,
Because Sessions is much better and younger then Johnson, signed cheap, is better distributor than Nelson and not a midget.
Wilkins ans Reddick a wash here.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:47 pm
by Narf
Al is getting beat because he blew out his knee and hasn't recovered. Not because he trimmed down his baby fat. Give him time to recover for crying out loud.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:58 pm
by Winter Wonder
Yup, big negatory here. Destroys cap space for Gortat when we have a better option next year in Pekovic. Sessions has good value and is a superior player long and short term (I think if MN was in win mode, he should be starting, he runs the team better and plays better defense). Aside from that, would Gortat even get many minutes once Love is back? Jefferson healthy? With Hollins, Jawai, and Pecherov (sure Gortat better than the later two for sure, but that's alot of minutes sitting bringing over another big)? Pekovic over (next year)?

Reddick brings some shooting, but is he a long term solution?

Gortat may be decent, but fit isn't great and cost/value is not good.

Big NO from MN that gives up more talent and better contracts.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:15 pm
by john2jer
If Orlando was concerned about paying Gortat the MLE to play 12mins behind Howard they wouldn't have matched the deal Dallas offered. No chance they do this.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:29 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
john2jer wrote:If Orlando was concerned about paying Gortat the MLE to play 12mins behind Howard they wouldn't have matched the deal Dallas offered. No chance they do this.


Orlando didn't want to lose Gortat without getting anything back, that's why they matched. Give their gm someone good in exchange and he will trade him, besides Gortat wants to play, i doubt he and his agent will sit still in Orlando, sooner or later Orlendo hill have to trade him.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:38 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
Winter Wonder wrote:Yup, big negatory here. Destroys cap space for Gortat when we have a better option next year in Pekovic. Sessions has good value and is a superior player long and short term (I think if MN was in win mode, he should be starting, he runs the team better and plays better defense). Aside from that, would Gortat even get many minutes once Love is back? Jefferson healthy? With Hollins, Jawai, and Pecherov (sure Gortat better than the later two for sure, but that's alot of minutes sitting bringing over another big)? Pekovic over (next year)?

Reddick brings some shooting, but is he a long term solution?

Gortat may be decent, but fit isn't great and cost/value is not good.

Big NO from MN that gives up more talent and better contracts.


Our bench bigs are pathetic, and did you just suggest that Gortat is not better than Hollins? Wow.

And Kahn was on record that Pekovic(another unathletic big) would not be a good fit with Big Al and Love, so obviously he''s not a fan of Pek, and who told you that Pekovic is coming over? Did he tell you himself? For all we know he may demand more money than wolves eager to spend on him? He's definetely not a big fan of NBA, so he's not coming here to play for cheap like Rudy Fernandez

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:45 pm
by John Doe [MIN]
Winter Wonder wrote:Yup, big negatory here. Destroys cap space for Gortat when we have a better option next year in Pekovic. Sessions has good value and is a superior player long and short term (I think if MN was in win mode, he should be starting, he runs the team better and plays better defense). Aside from that, would Gortat even get many minutes once Love is back? Jefferson healthy? With Hollins, Jawai, and Pecherov (sure Gortat better than the later two for sure, but that's alot of minutes sitting bringing over another big)? Pekovic over (next year)?

Reddick brings some shooting, but is he a long term solution?

Gortat may be decent, but fit isn't great and cost/value is not good.

Big NO from MN that gives up more talent and better contracts.

Reddick and Johnson are expiring.

Gortat's 2011 salary: $6.322 million
Session's and Hollins' 2011 salary: $3.964 + $2.333 = $6.297 million

Total change in Minnesota's 2010 cap space: $25,000, or roughly .2%

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:53 pm
by John Doe [MIN]
As for the deal, yes I'd take it, but I really doubt Orlando would.

Supposedly, Orlando matched Gortat's offer because he's extremely valuable to them in the short term, and they felt they could get value for him in a trade eventually. Sessions might not have enough value to make this up. More importantly, I doubt they shake up their core now. 12 good minutes from Gortat is better than the 12 good minutes Sessions would give them, plus they are pretty happy with Jason Williams there so far.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:54 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
John Doe [MN] wrote:
Winter Wonder wrote:Yup, big negatory here. Destroys cap space for Gortat when we have a better option next year in Pekovic. Sessions has good value and is a superior player long and short term (I think if MN was in win mode, he should be starting, he runs the team better and plays better defense). Aside from that, would Gortat even get many minutes once Love is back? Jefferson healthy? With Hollins, Jawai, and Pecherov (sure Gortat better than the later two for sure, but that's alot of minutes sitting bringing over another big)? Pekovic over (next year)?

Reddick brings some shooting, but is he a long term solution?

Gortat may be decent, but fit isn't great and cost/value is not good.

Big NO from MN that gives up more talent and better contracts.

Reddick and Johnson are expiring.

Gortat's 2011 salary: $6.322 million
Session's and Hollins' 2011 salary: $3.964 + $2.333 = $6.297 million

Total change in Minnesota's 2010 cap space: $25,000, or roughly .2%


Don't confuse him with facts. you're disrupting his rant.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:12 am
by wolves_fan_82au
is reddick avg something llike 15 a game ?

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:15 am
by NewWolvesOrder
wolves_fan_82au wrote:is reddick avg something llike 15 a game ?


12, 2, 2 in 30 min.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:50 am
by john2jer
james harden wrote:
john2jer wrote:If Orlando was concerned about paying Gortat the MLE to play 12mins behind Howard they wouldn't have matched the deal Dallas offered. No chance they do this.


Orlando didn't want to lose Gortat without getting anything back, that's why they matched. Give their gm someone good in exchange and he will trade him, besides Gortat wants to play, i doubt he and his agent will sit still in Orlando, sooner or later Orlendo hill have to trade him.


That's about as stupid as saying "sooner or later the Wolves will have to trade Rubio." Orlando doesn't have to do anything.

Re: trade with Orlando

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:59 am
by moss_is_1
We should trade Al...I'm becoming tired of his ball-hogging. Idk if its because we suck and he knows he's the only one who can score, or hes rich mans Zach Randolph.