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McGrady/J Taylor/ J Dorsey

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Gomes/Wilkens/Blount/Cardinal

Houston clearly wants to start Battier and Ariza and McGrady just gets in the way. Gomes, Wilkens, and Cardinal are all gritty veterans!!! They clearly have little interest in Dorsey and J Taylor is small potatoes. Wolves get to start McGrady and I'll enjoy watching the Wolves 18% more w/ McGrady on the team. Dorsey is a big beast to bangs in the paint, and lets throw J Taylor in there - he was a big time scorer in college, maybe he has something for the NBA, who knows.

I think I'd do it considering I have 8 games left of my 10 pack to go to. Oh the horror.

PeeDee wrote:I think I'd do it considering I have 8 games left of my 10 pack to go to. Oh the horror.

Totally - I bought season tickets before the end of last season on the idea that we would improve upon what we were putting out. I'd be on board to watch T-Mac try to show the rest of the league that he's worth another contract, and have a preview of how our team might function with a veteran scorer out on the floor.

Sadly, it won't happen if only because it won't contribute to the 5 years-and-counting plan to devastate those foolish enough to hope for this team.

it can contribute down the road because it gets Al and Flynn and Love used to playing with a half decent swing man which is supposed to be our plan for the future. That swingman won't be Tmac, but it'll probably be closer to McGrady than Wilkins. Damn well better be...

I like it, it clears out that extra money we'd have to pay Gomes without continuing to devestate the talent level on the current team.

I'd do it, but I can't see Houston doing it.

I've been in favor if most trades using our expirings to get McGrady here. I'm not McGrady fan, but he would put a few more butts in the seats.

PeeDee wrote:I think I'd do it considering I have 8 games left of my 10 pack to go to. Oh the horror.

I don't know how many more somber lightrail trips back we can take.
We need Air Crunch and Chomper to save us.

We need that spark, whether McGrady is washed up or not, he's still TMac. Would definitely make games more watchable.

I wrote about a similar deal just this week.

Your deal is based on talent and fit, but it only saves HOU $1.875 mil. With Pops picked up by TOR and off their books, they are currently $2.887 mil over the lux. I think you need to merge yours with this:

McGrady for Blount + Cardinal + Wilkins.

This saves HOU:

+$4.5 salary
+$2.8 lux taxes
+$4.8 lux share
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$12 mil. savings.

I think combining your deal with the big extra financial gain from mine, you come out with something like


McGrady + Dorsey + Taylor + lottery protected pick + $3 mil for Blount + Cardinal + Gomes

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HOU fans believe that they'll just swap $3.5 mil Cook for a TPE at the trade deadline with $3 mil cash, and slide under the lux. It won't be nearly that easy, or that cheap.

There are five teams left with a TPE of $3.4 mil. (100% + $100,000)

$3,696,000 Denver
$4,260,000 Miami
$3,945,000 New Orleans
$6,864,200 Orlando
$3,763,525 New Jersey

The first four are all out, because they have their own lux problems to worry about. NJN is the only chance, and five teams are just over the lux (HOU, NOH, MIA, PHO and DEN) and nine more teams are currently over the lux and would also like the double savings. NJN has 14 suitors, and 5 that stand to save a whole lot of money, if they can reclaim their lux share. I think they can certainly get more than $1 mil profit and half a season of Brian Cook for it.

Since there aren't enough TPE's, the key will be to create new ones for the teams that value from them most.

Do we really want Taylor and Dorsey? They both have long term contracts.

Why not just do McGrady + Cash + 1st round pick for Blount + Cardinal + Wilkins? Houston would be adding a roster spot, so they'd have to buy someone out, but that shouldn't be our problem. We're doing them a favor.

Biff Cooper wrote:Do we really want Taylor and Dorsey? They both have long term contracts.

Why not just do McGrady + Cash + 1st round pick for Blount + Cardinal + Wilkins? Houston would be adding a roster spot, so they'd have to buy someone out, but that shouldn't be our problem. We're doing them a favor.

That seems pretty steep for them.

I believe that deal saves them $12.5 mil.

Subtract the $3 mil for cash, and is a pick worth $9.5?

Late ones are sold for $3 mil, so this seems OK to me.


For MIN, they spend $4.5 mil in cap space (cap space is the key), and receive $3 mil in cash and a pick. Seems OK to me as well.


Of course, I'm not putting any value on T-Mac. He can take a buy-out for all I care, because he's not going to be happy playing here. Maybe HOU thinks his potential plusses outweigh his minuses. At a minimum, in addition to the money, they get expirings that teams can cap match.

Esohny wrote:

Biff Cooper wrote:Do we really want Taylor and Dorsey? They both have long term contracts.

Why not just do McGrady + Cash + 1st round pick for Blount + Cardinal + Wilkins? Houston would be adding a roster spot, so they'd have to buy someone out, but that shouldn't be our problem. We're doing them a favor.

That seems pretty steep for them.

We could swap Gomes for Wilkens.

EDIT - see Shrink above post for the value of the trade

Devilzsidewalk wrote: I'll enjoy watching the Wolves 18% more w/ McGrady on the team

I'm impressed you were able to quantify it.

shrink wrote:I believe that deal saves them $12.5 mil.

Subtract the $3 mil for cash, and is a pick worth $9.5?

Late ones are sold for $3 mil, so this seems OK to me.


For MIN, they spend $4.5 mil in cap space (cap space is the key), and receive $3 mil in cash and a pick. Seems OK to me as well.


Of course, I'm not putting any value on T-Mac. He can take a buy-out for all I care, because he's not going to be happy playing here. Maybe HOU thinks his potential plusses outweigh his minuses. At a minimum, in addition to the money, they get expirings that teams can cap match.

Man i wish you guys still have Chuck Akins so Houston can trade you their #1 pick, Trevor Ariza and Brian Cook to save like 20 million or something. Bummer.

I love this idea. But I would think it would be hard to convince Houston to add a pick.

i think just the possibility of saving them from the luxury and the fact they still look playoffbound so they'll have a crappy pick and the prevention of having T-Mac return to the lineup may be enough to coax a pick out of Houston.

We're saving them $12.5 mil.

Right now there are 14 teams over the lux that would all love for MIN to throw 2009 cap space their way and save them double. Five of them (HOU is one) are just over the lux, so most of the cap space is doubled plus they'd get an extra $4.5 mil by reclaiming their lux share. They'd REALLY love to get cap space.

There simply aren't many teams that have a lot of cap space that is available, and have a mechanism to transfer that cap space in a way that doesn't hurt a team's 2010 plans. MIN's expirings/expirings swap does that.

Without the pick, I have a hard time justifying MIN giving up $4.5 mil of their cap space. There will certainly be better offers out there for it, from one of the 14 teams. For MIN, they want to use this cap space to buy a future asset.

Do it.

Shrink - if we did a McGrady for Blount, Cadinal, Wilkens deal, who would get the TPE? If we got it, we would probably have room under the lux to use it right away and get someone else under - for a price of course. If Houston gets it, it would be an added asset in the deal.