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DEN GIVES: TPE, future top 50 protected 2nd
MIN GIVES: Nate Jawai

You can't get more bench size cheaper than Jawai. DEN is already over the lux, and doesn't want 2010 salary. The $711,517 Cheikh Samb TPE expires in two weeks.

The Nuggets' front office is looking into acquiring a big man who could play some minutes off the bench.

"We definitely could use somebody else," said Carmelo Anthony. "At this point, anytime you have an injured player, anybody who can step up off the bench is huge."

A future 2nd isn't as valuable to me as the TPE. TPE's exist for 1 year, so its a small asset we could use in summer S&T.

You can probably tell that Jawai fills me with indifference.

Fine with me. Although I don't think anything of Jawai, except that he gives me an excuse to make Crocodile Dundee references.

I'd do it without the 2nd involved.

I see the why, though the small TPE is probably not enough for me. I like our bigs, and though there isn't enough minutes for them all, it does give us a good year to look at them and see about keeping them next year at an evaluated price based on a season's worth of practices and games. Granted, I like most of our bigs based on roles and potential for a low price tag and we only have so many minutes.

Still, a no on my part. Not enough with the TPE and the pick is hard to call with the protection and Denver's eratic play of late.

EDIT: This is based on a stand alone, as is, deal. If other things, like a bigger deal were lined-up or the TPE had another pre-determined use, I wouldn't let Jawai get in the way of letting the future things happen. I just see this TPE asset being wasted right now. Don't know why.

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I'd do it without the 2nd involved.

I agree, but I believe that in an NBA trade, the other side has to get "something." We tend to over-value late seconds more than real front offices, where they often are used simply as the "something."

I put top 50 protection on it to make it pretty valueless.

DEN may prefer to try to find some vet, but in a dollar/pound ratio, Jawai rocks.

What would we do this? We signed him for a reason.

TPE has value, but that is so small I am not sure if it has any.

revprodeji wrote:What would we do this? We signed him for a reason.

TPE has value, but that is so small I am not sure if it has any.

I think we signed him becasue Love was injured, Jefferson was a question mark, for the fact that he was dirt cheap (ddin't dallas pay us to take him off their hands?), and because he was a cheap gamble. I would rather give the minutes to Cardinal or Pecherov, both of whom have showed to be better players, or Hollins, who is going to be here anyway next year.

Do they still have that big TPE, if so I would dump Hollins on them instead of Jawai because he's overpaid even at his modest 2.5 mil per year.

I don't think Kahn would be willing to admit the Hollins signing was a mistake at this point.

Worm Guts wrote:I don't think Kahn would be willing to admit the Hollins signing was a mistake at this point.

We already had a GM who didn't want to admit his mistakes, I would be very disappointed if Kahn would act the same considering it is a small mistake.

Turnover_21 wrote:Do they still have that big TPE, if so I would dump Hollins on them instead of Jawai because he's overpaid even at his modest 2.5 mil per year.

Disagree completely. Hollins has shown potential. He needs to add a little bit more muscle, and do some coordination skills is all.

In his last 7 games he has played 77 min -- roughly 2 games for a started. During that time he has scored 42 points on 16-28 shooting, while going 10-11 from the line, while adding 13 rebounds and 3 blocks. So given starter minutes, that like 20 and 7 and 1.5 with good shooting %. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Rambis and Laimbeer are the perfect guys to develop him as a big. While Rambis was with the Lakers, Bynum, Turiaf, Mbenga, Powell, and even Kwame, improved as big men. Hollins has the right attitude and work ethic (jawaii is fat). We just need to be patient.

Turnover_21 wrote:

Worm Guts wrote:I don't think Kahn would be willing to admit the Hollins signing was a mistake at this point.

We already had a GM who didn't want to admit his mistakes, I would be very disappointed if Kahn would act the same considering it is a small mistake.

It hasn't even been half of one season. It's probably too early to admit a mistake.

I'm on the fence with sending Hollins. Depends on if we think we really need the cap space.

DEN has the TPE to absorb Hollins, but I think they'd avoid him. they are already over the lux, and next year face further troubles. Hollins may be worth a look here, but they'd probably want someone more experienced if they were going to pay double for him the next two years. Jawai is worse, but he's far cheaper and no long term commitment.

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:

Turnover_21 wrote:Do they still have that big TPE, if so I would dump Hollins on them instead of Jawai because he's overpaid even at his modest 2.5 mil per year.

Disagree completely. Hollins has shown potential. He needs to add a little bit more muscle, and do some coordination skills is all.

In his last 7 games he has played 77 min -- roughly 2 games for a started. During that time he has scored 42 points on 16-28 shooting, while going 10-11 from the line, while adding 13 rebounds and 3 blocks. So given starter minutes, that like 20 and 7 and 1.5 with good shooting %. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Rambis and Laimbeer are the perfect guys to develop him as a big. While Rambis was with the Lakers, Bynum, Turiaf, Mbenga, Powell, and even Kwame, improved as big men. Hollins has the right attitude and work ethic (jawaii is fat). We just need to be patient.

Oh please, If Hollins doesn't have any muscle at the ripe age of 25 he probably never will, he can't rebound, can't block shots, has low bbiq, constantly drops the ball. Cherrypicking the stats is a weak arguement. That poster named mnWI who's known here said that it wasn't a good signing and that Hollins is a deep end of the bench player he was spot on. He's Mad Dog type of player and Mark was considered overpaid here and Hollins has same type of deal.

Another thing on Denver's side.

Since the nuggets are a bit further along in the whole contending thing then we are used to lately, the type of player they most likely would be looking at are those that can contribute a bit. Well, at least a bit more than Jawai could. Here we can work with developping him a bit.

In Denver, they are likely to go after a player that can contribute more and is more consistent. There should be vet minimum type players they could pick up or other options at that TPE price point.

Worm Guts wrote:

Turnover_21 wrote:

Worm Guts wrote:I don't think Kahn would be willing to admit the Hollins signing was a mistake at this point.

We already had a GM who didn't want to admit his mistakes, I would be very disappointed if Kahn would act the same considering it is a small mistake.

It hasn't even been half of one season. It's probably too early to admit a mistake.

Admitting a mistake is never too early, Hollins is vet min player, Kahn did a lot of work to free up capspace, Hollins works against all that effort . Ramon Sessions is worth his money, Hollins not so much.

Turnover_21 wrote:
Admitting a mistake is never too early, Hollins is vet min player, Kahn did a lot of work to free up capspace, Hollins works against all that effort . Ramon Sessions is worth his money, Hollins not so much.

I would say that's not true. Kahn signed Hollins for a reason, he's going to give Hollins a chance to prove himself. And it's not like Hollins is underachieving, he's just being Ryan Hollins.

Worm Guts wrote:

Turnover_21 wrote:
Admitting a mistake is never too early, Hollins is vet min player, Kahn did a lot of work to free up capspace, Hollins works against all that effort . Ramon Sessions is worth his money, Hollins not so much.

I would say that's not true. Kahn signed Hollins for a reason, he's going to give Hollins a chance to prove himself. And it's not like Hollins is underachieving, he's just being Ryan Hollins.

being overpaid for his basketball abilities and not doing the things Kahn thought Ryan would do.

Turnover_21 wrote:

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:

Turnover_21 wrote:Do they still have that big TPE, if so I would dump Hollins on them instead of Jawai because he's overpaid even at his modest 2.5 mil per year.

Disagree completely. Hollins has shown potential. He needs to add a little bit more muscle, and do some coordination skills is all.

In his last 7 games he has played 77 min -- roughly 2 games for a started. During that time he has scored 42 points on 16-28 shooting, while going 10-11 from the line, while adding 13 rebounds and 3 blocks. So given starter minutes, that like 20 and 7 and 1.5 with good shooting %. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Rambis and Laimbeer are the perfect guys to develop him as a big. While Rambis was with the Lakers, Bynum, Turiaf, Mbenga, Powell, and even Kwame, improved as big men. Hollins has the right attitude and work ethic (jawaii is fat). We just need to be patient.

Oh please, If Hollins doesn't have any muscle at the ripe age of 25 he probably never will, he can't rebound, can't block shots, has low bbiq, constantly drops the ball. Cherrypicking the stats is a weak arguement. That poster named mnWI who's known here said that it wasn't a good signing and that Hollins is a deep end of the bench player he was spot on. He's Mad Dog type of player and Mark was considered overpaid here and Hollins has same type of deal.

I don't see how using the last 7 games he's played in as an example of improvement is "cherry picking" stats. If Mad Dog was 7' he would have been a great bench player to have.