Trade Proposal: Minn - Chi

Ajosu · Post #1 » by **Ajosu** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:33 pm

Hey guys, Bulls fan here. I was just wondering what you think of this trade. I read a lot of trade suggestions that seem pretty one-sided, where there is very little chance of it actually happening. I realise that you have to give something to get something. So here goes:

Chicago trades:
Deng
Noah
Pargo

Minnesota trades:
Al Jefferson
Sasha
Ellington

Why for Chicago?
We shed Deng's contract. I just don't think Deng is a good fit with Rose. Generally your 3pt shooting comes from the PG/SG/SF, and neither Rose nor Deng take many 3's. I am a big Noah fan, but he will be coming up for contract soon, and will require 8-9 million a year im guessing. We would have a great core of Rose/Jefferson, as well as add some outside shooting. Looking ahead to 2010, Jefferson pairs decently with almost all of the big name FA's we would be targeting.

Why for Minnesota?
Deng is returning to form from a couple years ago, and has been one of our best players this year. He is still very young, and while he is slightly overpaid, he is currently living up to his contract. Noah is another young player who is among the top rebounders in the NBA. I truly love this guy on our team, but realise that most other teams will want him included in a trade. Basically these are two young guys that are good core pieces to have for the future.

PeeDee · Post #2 » by **PeeDee** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:36 pm

It's a nice offer and by no means way off. But I don't think I'd do it. Jefferson's skills are way to rare to give up for Dengs giant contract. We will probably get a player the calibur of Deng in the draft next year.

shrink · Post #3 » by **shrink** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:45 pm

Would you consider Brad Miller + James Johnson instead of Deng?

NewWolvesOrder · Post #4 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:48 pm

Bulls are taking on Sasha and that alone should count for something.

PeeDee · Post #5 » by **PeeDee** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:49 pm

Shrink- You'd do Miller, Johnson, Noah, Pargo for Jefferson?

Krapinsky · Post #6 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:50 pm

I'd do it.

Flynn/Sessions/Rubio
Turner or Henry (Wolves)/Brewer/Ellington
Deng/Robinson (Bobs)
Love/Monroe or Garcia or Brackins (Utah)
Noah/Pekovic

I really like that team.

Krapinsky · Post #7 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:51 pm

PeeDee wrote:Shrink- You'd do Miller, Johnson, Noah, Pargo for Jefferson?

He's also looking at the extra $ we'd be under the cap next year. Noah + Johnson (not a fan) + $7-8 million more we'd be under the cap for a total of $20 million under.

PeeDee · Post #8 » by **PeeDee** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:53 pm

Yeah, I get it. I just think the value is way off. I know Shrink loves his cap space though.

shrink · Post #9 » by **shrink** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:56 pm

Dr/ K is right. I also do not think Deng is a positive -- too much for a third option, and too much risk with the lengthy deal.. Brad Miller + Johnson is better to me. Perhaps replace Johnson with some kind of future 1st, though with Jefferson, that's going to be outside the lottery anyway.

mandurugo · Post #10 » by **mandurugo** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:02 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I'd do it.

Flynn/Sessions/Rubio
Turner or Henry (Wolves)/Brewer/Ellington
Deng/Robinson (Bobs)
Love/Monroe or Garcia or Brackins (Utah)
Noah/Pekovic

I really like that team.

Your front court would really struggle to score, especially from the low post. I don't think it would work out to well on offense unless Turner/Henry starts out awesome.

Post #11 » by **The J Rocka** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:16 pm

With that front court it would be all rebounds not enough scoring.

Krapinsky · Post #12 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:36 pm

J_Era_3 wrote:With that front court it would be all rebounds not enough scoring.

Pekovic

Ajosu · Post #13 » by **Ajosu** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:57 pm

shrink wrote:Would you consider Brad Miller + James Johnson instead of Deng?

Absolutely, but I think you would get better value with Deng.

I've been a big critic of Deng, especially when we resigned him. But the guy is healthy now and is really playing well. A very good player, but a poor fit with Rose, imo.

Ajosu · Post #14 » by **Ajosu** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:59 pm

shrink wrote:Dr/ K is right. I also do not think Deng is a positive -- too much for a third option, and too much risk with the lengthy deal.. Brad Miller + Johnson is better to me. Perhaps replace Johnson with some kind of future 1st, though with Jefferson, that's going to be outside the lottery anyway.

Johnson's value is pretty low right now. The guy hasn't gotten much PT, and when he has he hasn't done much with it. But it's still very early to say too much about him. I would give up Johnson or a future 1st round pick. I'd be surprised if the pick wound up being someone better, though.

Post #15 » by **The J Rocka** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:59 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
J_Era_3 wrote:With that front court it would be all rebounds not enough scoring.

Pekovic

Ahh i see i see :wink:

Hopefully he'll want to come over, u would think the way he's getting paid he wouldn't bother coming over.

Ajosu · Post #16 » by **Ajosu** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:00 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys! It's been pretty negative on our board this season, and I just wanna find ways we could get better. This is one, and I thought it was pretty fair value. You never know until you hear both sides' opinions, so I appreciate it.

Post #17 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:32 pm

I do not think this deal is too far off. The issue of value is Deng. His inconsistency worries me, his contract concerns me, and his rumored age is a giant red flag.

That being said, I love the idea of Noah with Love.

So the X factor is Deng. I am not sure if I would be willing to pull the trigger for him. I would highly debate it, and I think it is closer then some on this board would say. The defensive difference of Noah and Al would be great, Noah would be great in the uptempo system and Deng would be nice in the triangle. I am just not sure still.

deeney0 · Post #18 » by **deeney0** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:43 pm

shrink wrote:Would you consider Brad Miller + James Johnson instead of Deng?

No. For me, it'd have to be Deng.

Krapinsky · Post #19 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:46 pm

deeney0 wrote:
shrink wrote:Would you consider Brad Miller + James Johnson instead of Deng?

No. For me, it'd have to be Deng.

What if it meant getting Gay or trading for Butler with the extra cap space?

Ajosu · Post #20 » by **Ajosu** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:02 am

revprodeji wrote:I do not think this deal is too far off. The issue of value is Deng. His inconsistency worries me, his contract concerns me, and his rumored age is a giant red flag.

I've never heard of any age discrepencies with him. As far as I know, he is 24.

I think injuries have been a big reason for his inconsistency. And they were more friek injuries than chronic issues. One was a broken wrist, and the other was a stress fracture in his foot. Both caused him to miss significant time, and he really seemed to take a while to get back in form.

I have often called Deng injury prone, but not because of nagging injuries. He has just had horrible luck, that no one can explain. Regardless of the reason, I have been concerned about his ability to stay healthy. But when healthy, he is a very good player.

He shoots a lot of jumpers, so sure he will have on and off nights. But he is a good rebounder and good defender. He can finish around the rim, and is good moving without the ball. I wish we would utilize him more this way, because he is not so great at creating his own shot off the dribble. But when you get him the ball when he cutting towards the hoop, he is a very good finisher.

That being said, I love the idea of Noah with Love.

Noah is a great fit next to any big man that can score.

So the X factor is Deng. I am not sure if I would be willing to pull the trigger for him. I would highly debate it, and I think it is closer then some on this board would say. The defensive difference of Noah and Al would be great, Noah would be great in the uptempo system and Deng would be nice in the triangle. I am just not sure still.

Lol well I'm glad it is at least worth considering, rather than getting shot down right away. I really try not to come up with wild trade ideas that make my team realy good...but have no chance of the other team liking!