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How good is Flynn? 

Post#1 » by LAKERS_1981 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:35 pm

I am have not been watching many Minnesota games this season.
I just want to ask how is Jonny Flynn doing for your team?
Is he a strong Pg in the NBA right know?
How is his D and his O?

What i have seen is he has a Hi basketball IQ and playes with heart. He needs to improve his shooting but he is a good playmaker.

I hope you do well becaus i am a Rambo fan(Kurt) and i want him to do well.

p.s I say keep Jefferson and Love together they will get better.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#2 » by Basti » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:01 pm

LAKERS_1981 wrote:I am have not been watching many Minnesota games this season.
I just want to ask how is Jonny Flynn doing for your team?


he's a team first guy. evidenced by the latest game they played. Sessions was getting tired and Rambis wanted to sub in Jonny but Jonny said "coach keep Sessions in, he's playing better than I do."
overall he's been good for a rookie. we've seen typical rookie mistakes but so far I'd say he's been playing up to his expectations.

LAKERS_1981 wrote:Is he a strong Pg in the NBA right know?


I'd say he's above average. he's been showing some glimpses of being a good (point) guard but he's been struggling with the offensive schemes Rambis is asking him to do. it's no big surprise though as Flynn has had to learn a lot coming out of college and the Triangle probably is the toughest offensive scheme for a rookie pg to learn.

LAKERS_1981 wrote:How is his D and his O?


his O is great when he's hot but not so good when he's bricking shots after shots. during the last weeks his playmaking abilities have gotten much better because now he seems to have gotten used to the Triangle. his TO numbers have been down (at least subjectively speaking) and his assists numbers have been better lately.

his D is definitely below average if not bad. his biggest problem is his size. while I'm not trying to blame others for his shortcomings, sometimes the defensive game plan has him roaming for steals leaving his man wide open. he's quick though but usually the smallest guy on the court which makes it easy to post him up.

LAKERS_1981 wrote:What i have seen is he has a Hi basketball IQ and playes with heart. He needs to improve his shooting but he is a good playmaker.


you must have rather been watching games lately because he's only been a decent playmaker for 2 months or so. his shooting is great one day but the next day he's shooting too often and way too early. it's frustrating sometimes but he's been getting hot during the 4th quarter a lot when he sucked for the first 3 quarters.

LAKERS_1981 wrote:I hope you do well becaus i am a Rambo fan(Kurt) and i want him to do well.

p.s I say keep Jefferson and Love together they will get better.


thanks for the kind words. Jefferson and Love can definitely play together but we need at least one defensive 7' (+) center to hide their weaknesses.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#3 » by Narf » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:20 pm

Flynn's got Jason Terry written all over him. Solid rotation player and solid as a starter but better as a 6th man IMO. He clearly should get better over time though, so if he looks like Jason Terry now what will he look like after he improves? We'll see, he's hard to figure out.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#4 » by john2jer » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:20 pm

LAKERS_1981 wrote:How good is Flynn?


You know that Kobe guy? He's a slouch compared to Jonny Fly!
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#5 » by Narf » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:22 pm

john2jer wrote:
LAKERS_1981 wrote:How good is Flynn?

You know that Kobe guy? He's a slouch compared to Jonny Fly!

Flynn's no Kobe with the ladies though.
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Post#6 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:27 pm

Narf wrote:Flynn's got Jason Terry written all over him. Solid rotation player and solid as a starter but better as a 6th man IMO. He clearly should get better over time though, so if he looks like Jason Terry now what will he look like after he improves? We'll see, he's hard to figure out.


Jason Terry was a 6th man of the year and been key to some really good Mavs teams, thats not too bad if he turns out to be that
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#7 » by cpfsf » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:39 pm

LAKERS_1981 wrote:I am have not been watching many Minnesota games this season.
I just want to ask how is Jonny Flynn doing for your team?
Is he a strong Pg in the NBA right know?
How is his D and his O?

What i have seen is he has a Hi basketball IQ and playes with heart. He needs to improve his shooting but he is a good playmaker.

I hope you do well becaus i am a Rambo fan(Kurt) and i want him to do well.

p.s I say keep Jefferson and Love together they will get better.


Pros
-Great attitude
-Gets to the free throw line
-Quick, agile, explosive
-fearless and confident

cons
-his size hasn't helped.
-not a true point guard
-Sometimes he overdribbles. I watch him and I'm thinking do something, someone put the switch on the on position
-turnovers. Many of his turnovers happened earlier in the season when he was averaging as many TO's as assists. He's really become more efficient recently, so it's not really a huge issue, but it's worth watching out for.

Future
-he could really make the team improve and be a super effective player if he increases his 3PT shooting even more (.350 now)
-He just needs to get older. He just turned 21 a few days ago
-I think Rubio and Flynn will be awesome if they are both on the roster. I don't think a Flynn/Backcourt makes sense though (and I have a feeling Rambis would never do it either).
-Imagine Flynn and Love coming off the bench. 8-)

An interesting tidbit. He had an accident in the 8th grade during a basketball game when he broke his ankle and found the bone he broke was on a growth plate. He was told he wouldn't grow anymore. Oh and the rest of his family is 6'3" and 6'4". Imagine this guy at that height. :o

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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#8 » by GopherIt! » Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:08 pm

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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#9 » by Slum_Dillinger » Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:16 pm

Narf wrote:
john2jer wrote:
LAKERS_1981 wrote:How good is Flynn?

You know that Kobe guy? He's a slouch compared to Jonny Fly!

Flynn's no Kobe with the ladies though.


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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#10 » by dunkonu21 » Tue Feb 9, 2010 8:00 pm

It's really too early to say if Flynn will be a consistent player or an explosive guy who can't put it together every night. But there is much upside with him and a great winning attitude.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#11 » by the_bruce » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:54 am

For Flynn a team running a traditional offense would be ideal due to his speed and explosiveness. He'd take it to the rack more and draw tons more fouls. I think flynn could score a ton on a different team, his scoring isn't bad for a rookie and he's played above my expectations. ~17/5 per 36 isnt to shabby for a rookie guard.

Now that Jennings has come back down to earth they've put up comparable seasons minutes the 55 point outburst by Jennings. Flynns/Jennings per 36 numbers are pretty comparable to last years crop of rookie guards that performed well (rose/westbrook/mayo).
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#12 » by John Doe [MIN] » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:21 am

If he can improve over the next couple years, he's the next Aaron Brooks: an undersized 20/5 point guard, decent shooter, better slasher, moderately efficient, whose playmaking is less than ideal. An average starting PG.

I just looked up their rookie year Per36 numbers on Basketball-Reference. It's worth taking a look for how eerily similar they are. Link
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#13 » by miltk » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:48 am

basti wrote:
thanks for the kind words. Jefferson and Love can definitely play together but we need at least one defensive 7' (+) center to hide their weaknesses.


btw,,,,why is kluv playing off the bench?
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Post#14 » by Tirion » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:41 am

John Doe [MN] wrote:If he can improve over the next couple years, he's the next Aaron Brooks: an undersized 20/5 point guard, decent shooter, better slasher, moderately efficient, whose playmaking is less than ideal. An average starting PG.

I just looked up their rookie year Per36 numbers on Basketball-Reference. It's worth taking a look for how eerily similar they are. Link


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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#15 » by lobishome » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:30 am

Wolves's fans have overrated two players, Johnny Flynn and Kevin Love. Flynn isn't better than Sessions and Love isn't better than Jefferson.

Jefferson probably is the sixth PF after Bosh, Duncan, Gasol, Garnett and Randolph, and here everybody talks about how trade him but nobody says the same about Love. Jefferson was right when he said he was jealous for Love.

It's exactly the same with Sessions/Flynn. I love Flynn's play, but he still is young and he needs enhance some skills. You can't compare him with Sessions. You talk about him like a NBA star and maybe someday, but now is only a phucked rookie, like jennings. Good players, good expectatives, ... but a lot of deficiencies still. They are learning how it is the professional basket, btw, Rubio is doing this since 14 years old.

This Lakers fan must ask about for Rubio, not about Flynn, otherwise, the only Lakers's equivalent asset to Flynn is Bynum, a good young player but with deficiences he must enhance. Flynn can become in the future Fisher, then if you want him ... Bynum x Flynn, and if you want Rubio ... then Gasol x Rubio.

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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#16 » by Basti » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:51 pm

hey Lobo, I guess everybody agrees with me that the majority of us takes into consideration that Flynn is still a rookie. we know he has some major holes in his game that he has to fill but he's still a rookie. plus it's not that easy to adapt from being the go to scorer playing pick'n'roll all day to running one of the most difficult offensive schemes. while I'd agree with you that Sessions is probably as good as Flynn, you have to acknowledge that Sessions has been in the league for 3 years now and he had played for Skiles before. so he's kinda used to the NBA while Flynn is not yet.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#17 » by cpfsf » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:24 pm

miltk wrote:
basti wrote:
thanks for the kind words. Jefferson and Love can definitely play together but we need at least one defensive 7' (+) center to hide their weaknesses.


btw,,,,why is kluv playing off the bench?


Kevlar's efficient with limited minutes + Hollins beasting as a starter (although his production stopped just a bit). We could really use a guy like Camby, but he's going to turn 36 soon. If we're really lucky we can steal Noah, Gasol, Horford, or Perkins in 2011.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#18 » by Worm Guts » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:17 pm

John Doe [MN] wrote:If he can improve over the next couple years, he's the next Aaron Brooks: an undersized 20/5 point guard, decent shooter, better slasher, moderately efficient, whose playmaking is less than ideal. An average starting PG.

I just looked up their rookie year Per36 numbers on Basketball-Reference. It's worth taking a look for how eerily similar they are. Link



Not a bad comparison, but I think Jonny should be better at getting to the free throw line than Brooks is. Flynn's also 2 years younger as a rookie than Aaron Brooks, so I'm hopeful that Flynn can improve more as a distributor and be better than Brooks in that area, but that might be a little optimistic.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#19 » by horaceworthy » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:29 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

Take that however you want to. I'm not too sure what it means, or if it means anything at all. It could just mean that Flynn won't ever be as good most of those guys. I do think it's slightly encouraging, at least in terms of Flynn's ability to develop into a good-to-very good lead guard. Take away Mark Jones (can't really tell much from 16 minutes), and that's a decent list to be on.
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Re: How good is Flynn? 

Post#20 » by john2jer » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:47 pm

horaceworthy wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=36&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1980&year_max=2010&season_start=1&season_end=2&age_min=18&age_max=22&height_min=70&height_max=75&lg_id=&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&qual=&c1stat=usg_pct&c1comp=gt&c1val=22&c2stat=ast_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=22&c3stat=ts_pct&c3comp=gt&c3val=.5&c4stat=fta_per_mp&c4comp=gt&c4val=4&order_by=per

Take that however you want to. I'm not too sure what it means, or if it means anything at all. It could just mean that Flynn won't ever be as good most of those guys. I do think it's slightly encouraging, at least in terms of Flynn's ability to develop into a good-to-very good lead guard. Take away Mark Jones (can't really tell much from 16 minutes), and that's a decent list to be on.


Did you actually look at that? Take a look at their PER. Flynn is leagues below the rest of that list. He shouldn't even be in the same discussion as any of those guys.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Brent Barry

Pretty good list for Barry to be on. :roll:
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