Wolves/Lakers/Hornets

[NewWolvesOrder]

This trade can happen in July after Bynum's BYC expires

We trade Al & Rubio for Bynum and Hornets 2011 pick(top10 protected)

Lakers get Okafor and Rubio.

Hornets get Jefferson.

I know many people will not like trading Rubio, but Ricky maybe the only guy (maybe Love as well) who may interest the Lakers enough to trade Bynum. Lets be honest, nobody going to trade us a true 7 foot center like Bynum or Lopez for Jefferson straight up, we'll have to add something significant to convince the other team. Plus I think Rambis would love to have Bynum instead of Jefferson and Bynum would love to work under Rambis again. He will replace Al's post scoring and will provide big defensive presence we sorely lack. If we luck out to draft Turner, Rubio will not be a big loss for our playmaking and Turner-Bynum-Love trio can win big things for us in future and their games mesh so well.

Lakers get a young gem in Rubio to carry their aging squad in a few years. Okafor provides defensive presense after Bynum traded.

Hornets get talent upgrade,and getting a home grown talent is a nice plus as well.

[hotshotschamp]

Uhh

So Bynum and a mid to late 1st rounder

for Jefferson and Rubio...

Ummmmm you can't be serious.

[dunkonu21]

Al Jefferson>Andrew Bynum

[Krapinsky]

I don't want to trade Al anymore. This is starting to get a little ridiculous. We get RAPED in this deal. If they were going to make a sequel to the movie Irreversible' it would be about this deal.

Also, please no deals packaging Jefferson and Rubio. The whole point in trading Al Jefferson is so we can build an exciting uptempo team that Rubio can flourish in.

Rubio is our winning lottery ticket fellas. We just have to wait before we cash it in.

[AQuintus]

Based on the last game with Darko and Love, I would say that going after an athletic, long Center who draws defenders away and puts shots up at the rim would be the perfect fit next to Love. So, I would definitely do a deal based around Al Jefferson for Bynum, but this deal is terrible for us and waaay too good for LA.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Well, I expected responses like this and they are well warranted but Jefferson is not better than Bynum, not even close. For once, Bynum has a well defined position, he's a center, he's got size and skillset for it, he brings impact on both sides of the ball, and that's what a true center supposed to do. He also covers nicely for Love's shortcomings. Those two compliment each other superbly and can be the best PF/C combo in NBA.
Rambis tutored and mentored Bynum in LA and he obviosly rates him, especially his impact on defense.And Kahn in his turn rates Rambis as a coach and looks like he doesn't rate well Love/Jefferson pairing going forward.
I remember watching Lakers/Wolves game last season before Bynum and Jefferson got injured, they were matched up against each other in that game. Well, it wasn't even fare, Jefferson looked helpless trying to defend Bynum and had trouble scoring over his size on the other end.

Rubio is obviosly a great talent, but if we can secure a guy like Turner or even Wall in the draft then Ricky is not vital to this team. If we don't get one of those guys then I would probably will not do the trade I posted because I think going forward with only Flynn as our main playmaker is a recipe for a failure. We absolutely must have one of Rubio, Wall or Turner to be a good team.

[shrink]

Well, I expected responses like this and they are well warranted but Jefferson is not better than Bynum, not even close....

Try it on the trade board, and see what non-Lakers think of Bynum and his contract.

[AQuintus]

Rubio is obviosly a great talent, but if we can secure a guy like Turner or even Wall in the draft then Ricky is not vital to this team.

I can see your point on Wall, because while he might not be as talented a PG as Rubio, he's probably a more talented basketball player (at least as far as the NBA is concerned), but I can't see your point on Turner. He might be playing the Point now for Ohio State, and he might be a little ball dominant, but he's definitely a wing player in the NBA. Whether we have him or not doesn't make Rubio any more or less valuable to this team.

Edit:

Try it on the trade board, and see what non-Lakers think of Bynum and his contract.

I bet that their opinion would be more favorable (if even just a little) than non-Wolves fans' opinions on Jefferson and his contract, and that's really all that matters when comparing the two guys' values.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Based on the last game with Darko and Love, I would say that going after an athletic, long Center who draws defenders away and puts shots up at the rim would be the perfect fit next to Love. So, I would definitely do a deal based around Al Jefferson for Bynum, but this deal is terrible for us and waaay too good for LA.

The problem is nobody is going to knock at your door offering Bynum or Lopez for Big Al. You will have to knock at their door asking for those young 7 footers that play two way game and you better have something nice up your sleeve to convince other gms to part with them.

If you had Wall/Turner-Love-Bynum as your big 3 next season I don't think you'd be thinking much about Rubio and Jefferson, because your team would be set for next 10 years unless you get hit hard by injuries.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Rubio is obviosly a great talent, but if we can secure a guy like Turner or even Wall in the draft then Ricky is not vital to this team.

I can see your point on Wall, because while he might not be as talented a PG as Rubio, he's probably a more talented basketball player (at least as far as the NBA is concerned), but I can't see your point on Turner. He might be playing the Point now for Ohio State, and he might be a little ball dominant, but he's definitely a wing player in the NBA. Whether we have him or not doesn't make Rubio any more or less valuable to this team.

Edit:

Try it on the trade board, and see what non-Lakers think of Bynum and his contract.

I bet that their opinion would be more favorable (if even just a little) than non-Wolves fans' opinions on Jefferson and his contract, and that's really all that matters when comparing the two guys' values.

I disagree with you on Turner. He's unlikely a pg in the pros but he's a playmaker, espacially in Rambis' offense. He's a better playmaker than Flynn and can rival Wall in this department. Nobody can touch Rubio in this aspect but Rubio can't touch Turner and Wall in scoring so it evens out as far as impact on offense goes.

[cpfsf]

Here's a trade I would rather do

Jefferson for Deng and the rights to Charlotte's pick

We keep Rubio

20X safer than this trade

[fattymcgee]

Well, I expected responses like this and they are well warranted but Jefferson is not better than Bynum, not even close. For once, Bynum has a well defined position, he's a center, he's got size and skillset for it, he brings impact on both sides of the ball, and that's what a true center supposed to do. He also covers nicely for Love's shortcomings. Those two compliment each other superbly and can be the best PF/C combo in NBA.
Rambis tutored and mentored Bynum in LA and he obviosly rates him, especially his impact on defense.And Kahn in his turn rates Rambis as a coach and looks like he doesn't rate well Love/Jefferson pairing going forward.
I remember watching Lakers/Wolves game last season before Bynum and Jefferson got injured, they were matched up against each other in that game. Well, it wasn't even fare, Jefferson looked helpless trying to defend Bynum and had trouble scoring over his size on the other end.

Rubio is obviosly a great talent, but if we can secure a guy like Turner or even Wall in the draft then Ricky is not vital to this team. If we don't get one of those guys then I would probably will not do the trade I posted because I think going forward with only Flynn as our main playmaker is a recipe for a failure. We absolutely must have one of Rubio, Wall or Turner to be a good team.

Lay off the crack dude. Here are Al Jeffersons points in games vs. the Lakers when Bynum played.
24, 20, 34, 24
It doesn't look like Al had any trouble scoring to me. But I do agree with your assessment of Al's defense and he always has trouble with guys who have size. It's about time he hits the weight room this summer.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Well, I expected responses like this and they are well warranted but Jefferson is not better than Bynum, not even close....

Try it on the trade board, and see what non-Lakers think of Bynum and his contract.

Lakers organization, Laker players, their fans get alot of hate on realgm boards because of their succcess. So I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what you may read on trade board of the website called RealGM.com

[Krapinsky]

Here's a trade I would rather do

Jefferson for Deng and the rights to Charlotte's pick

We keep Rubio

20X safer than this trade

Jefferson has less value than an expiring contract in this deal.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Well, I expected responses like this and they are well warranted but Jefferson is not better than Bynum, not even close. For once, Bynum has a well defined position, he's a center, he's got size and skillset for it, he brings impact on both sides of the ball, and that's what a true center supposed to do. He also covers nicely for Love's shortcomings. Those two compliment each other superbly and can be the best PF/C combo in NBA.
Rambis tutored and mentored Bynum in LA and he obviosly rates him, especially his impact on defense.And Kahn in his turn rates Rambis as a coach and looks like he doesn't rate well Love/Jefferson pairing going forward.
I remember watching Lakers/Wolves game last season before Bynum and Jefferson got injured, they were matched up against each other in that game. Well, it wasn't even fare, Jefferson looked helpless trying to defend Bynum and had trouble scoring over his size on the other end.

Rubio is obviosly a great talent, but if we can secure a guy like Turner or even Wall in the draft then Ricky is not vital to this team. If we don't get one of those guys then I would probably will not do the trade I posted because I think going forward with only Flynn as our main playmaker is a recipe for a failure. We absolutely must have one of Rubio, Wall or Turner to be a good team.

Lay off the crack dude. Here are Al Jeffersons points in games vs. the Lakers when Bynum played.
24, 20, 34, 24
It doesn't look like Al had any trouble scoring to me. But I do agree with your assessment of Al's defense and he always has trouble with guys who have size. It's about time he hits the weight room this summer.

Never touched crack in my entire life and thus I watched the game with clear mind and eyes and Jefferson was bothered on both defense and offense by opponents length and athletism despite the point totals and do you have his FG% and opponents stats?

[cpfsf]

Here's a trade I would rather do

Jefferson for Deng and the rights to Charlotte's pick

We keep Rubio

20X safer than this trade

Jefferson has less value than an expiring contract in this deal.

-Charlotte will probably be sold
-If Charlotte loses, they will be tied for the 8th seed
-We keep Rubio
-It's lotto protected in its first year and than gets better each year after that. Remember, their young guys are Felton, Henderson, Thomas, and Augustin. In the future, they will be competing with Cleveland, Indiana, New York, New Jersey, Milwaukee, Chicago, Orlando, Atlanta, and Miami. No offense to Bobcat fans, but that's tough to pass that talent when the team is loaded with horrible contracts.

[horaceworthy]

If you had Wall/Turner-Love-Bynum as your big 3 next season I don't think you'd be thinking much about Rubio and Jefferson, because your team would be set for next 10 years unless you get hit hard by injuries.

This season marks the 2nd time in 5 years that Bynum has played more than 50 games.

The careers of Jefferson and Rubio would both have to end up wildly disappointing in order for this trade to pan out in 'Sota's favor. It's more likely we lay the framework for the next Lakers dynasty.

I can't say no quick enough.

[the_bruce]

I cant see how bynum could be worth more than Al. Sure he's talented, but uh...

Al he has to do is be Pryzbilla for MN.

We can get that sort of player cheaper.

-fin

[Krapinsky]

Here's a trade I would rather do

Jefferson for Deng and the rights to Charlotte's pick

We keep Rubio

20X safer than this trade

Jefferson has less value than an expiring contract in this deal.

-Charlotte will probably be sold
-If Charlotte loses, they will be tied for the 8th seed
-We keep Rubio
-It's lotto protected in its first year and than gets better each year after that. Remember, their young guys are Felton, Henderson, Thomas, and Augustin. In the future, they will be competing with Cleveland, Indiana, New York, New Jersey, Milwaukee, Chicago, Orlando, Atlanta, and Miami. No offense to Bobcat fans, but that's tough to pass that talent when the team is loaded with horrible contracts.

Sorry, I was confused. I thought it was our Charlotte pick.

[dunkonu21]

Just because Bynum has a bigger ceiling than Al does not mean he is better. Al has far more production and that my friend, is NOT EVEN CLOSE.