The Al Jefferson trade thread

cpfsf · Post #1 » by **cpfsf** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:20 pm

*The title is The Al Jefferson Trade Thread, not The Trade Al Jefferson Thread (there's a difference). I'm anticipating several trade proposals for Jefferson (especially after games where Jefferson doesn't average anything better than 20/10). This is my way of eliminating daily trades from fans angry after a loss and a place for outsiders to make their own proposals.

Chicago gets Jefferson
Minnesota gets Deng and the rights to the Charlotte pick they got from the Tyrus Thomas trade (lotto protected first year and improves each year after that) for Al Jefferson. Does anyone know the entire protection on the Charlotte pick (the one Chicago has the rights to)?

Felton, Augustin, Thomas, and Henderson are the Bobcats future. Check the age of their starters and note the contracts on the team. Which Eastern Conference teams will be contenders for the next 5 years.

Post #2 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:34 pm

Or we can wait until closer to the trade season.

lobishome · Post #3 » by **lobishome** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:35 pm

Sorry, but I am a member of The Official KJTL Club ... (Keep Jefferson - Trade Love) 8-)

Dewey · Post #4 » by **Dewey** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:55 pm

lobishome wrote:Sorry, but I am a member of The Official KJTL Club ... (Keep Jefferson - Trade Love)

If he showed signs of consistency in terms of becoming a complete player, I'd agree.

Generally speaking: He simply is not improving in critical areas such as passing and defense, let alone, his inability to get up and down the floor. Don't give me the bs about his injury ... that's pure crap. His injury does not affect his ability to pass or move his feet on defense, but it could "remotely" impact his ability to run the floor. Hard to know because he didn't run the floor well before his injury either. I've had a similar injury and at this stage, excuses are a load.

We need a defensive impact player whether Al is here or not. I'd like to hang on to him and try to make it work with a good Center and SG, then see where were at. If he's still demonstrating limitations outside of low-post scoring as we head into the 2011 trade deadline, then move him.

Foye · Post #5 » by **Foye** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:02 pm

We should judge Al's performances next season not this season. It's clear he isn't back to 100% yet.

cpfsf · Post #6 » by **cpfsf** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:32 pm

I think we are not going to be making a splash in 2010. Kahn announced season ticket prices will be cut in half next year. Would that really be necessary if we landed a decent free agent? Furthermore we'd have to wait till 2011 or 2012 for Rubio (2012 is more likely). I just don't think Kahn is going to pull the trigger.

Foye wrote:We should judge Al's performances next season not this season. It's clear he isn't back to 100% yet.

Jefferson's value probably won't skyrocket next year either. I don't know if Jefferson's value will drastically increase later because he would have an additional year on his contract and teams want a sure thing. Plus we still could sign Pekovic, so I wouldn't rule out a trade.

Vega06 · Post #7 » by **Vega06** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:02 pm

Dewey wrote:
lobishome wrote:Sorry, but I am a member of The Official KJTL Club ... (Keep Jefferson - Trade Love)

If he showed signs of consistency in terms of becoming a complete player, I'd agree.

Generally speaking: He simply is not improving in critical areas such as passing and defense, let alone, his inability to get up and down the floor. Don't give me the bs about his injury ... that's pure crap. His injury does not affect his ability to pass or move his feet on defense, but it could "remotely" impact his ability to run the floor. Hard to know because he didn't run the floor well before his injury either. I've had a similar injury and at this stage, excuses are a load.

We need a defensive impact player whether Al is here or not. I'd like to hang on to him and try to make it work with a good Center and SG, then see where were at. If he's still demonstrating limitations outside of low-post scoring as we head into the 2011 trade deadline, then move him.

Does your job involve constant pounding on your knees? Now compare your height and weight to Al's.

Dewey · Post #8 » by **Dewey** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:12 pm

Lets not make it sound like these guys are complete idiots ... if the knee pounding is resulting in pain, then they're not going to be playing ... especially, when you're a lottery team. Plus, the quote below does suggest a some possibility his ability to run the floor may be somewhat limited. Also, we should clarify that Al has not done these things well BEFORE his injury either.

"His injury does not affect his ability to pass or move his feet on defense, but it could "remotely" impact his ability to run the floor."

A pro athlete losing 10% of his/her ability is like a good high school athlete losing 30% ... so yes, it's understood the impact these injuries CAN have, but I strongly believe too many excuses are being made for his performance and have little merit. He's got some limitations and weaknesses and that makes him a #3 man on a good team ... it's reality and no need to be critical. He'll be slightly beter next year, but no way is he enroute to being a perennial all-star by any stretch.

kingly222 · Post #9 » by **kingly222** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:52 pm

Al is as good as gone. I'm hearing that Orlando is going to make a push for him this summer. They want a pf so that R. Lewis can move back to the small forward position.

I also heard that Rudy Gay wants to come here to play with Al. They have been friends since competing in high school and Rudy has said he wants to be here.

Another rumor I heard is that Monte Ellis and Big Al want to play together. Both are ok with Ellis in Minny or Al is GS but my personal feeling is that neither will remain with those teams in the off season.

prefuse73 · Post #10 » by **prefuse73** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:59 pm

Well let me get us back on track on what this thread is intended for... hypothecially, what would we want back in an Al Jefferson trade... not if we should trade him. We have plenty of other threads for at.

My goal in any Al Jefferson trade would be to bring back a SF with all-star potential and capable big as his replacement. I have one option that seems possible....

Al Jefferson to Golden State for a package based off of Anthony Randolph and Ronny Turiaf (or Biendris). Randolph gives us a SF/PF hybrid that could be a matchup nightmare in the right system.

If Milicic works out...

Milicic - Turiaf - (pick one of Monroe, Alabi, Sanders, Udoh, Varnardo, Jordan)
Love - Randolph - Hollins
Randolph - Outlaw (FA)
Turner - Brewer - Ellington
Flynn - Sessions

If Milicic leaves (or doesn't do enough the next couple months), we can use our remaining assets (two other first rounders, pekovic) to get another center. I think pekovic/love is worse than al/love...fyi and kahn wants bigs that play above the rim or at least create havoc on defense.

Post #11 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:00 pm

Orlando, huh? That's interesting. Seems like it would need to be a three-teamer.

Is Rudy interested in playing in Minny or just interested in playing with Al?

cpfsf · Post #12 » by **cpfsf** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:03 pm

kingly222 wrote:Al is as good as gone. I'm hearing that Orlando is going to make a push for him this summer. They want a pf so that R. Lewis can move back to the small forward position.

I also heard that Rudy Gay wants to come here to play with Al. They have been friends since competing in high school and Rudy has said he wants to be here.

Another rumor I heard is that Monte Ellis and Big Al want to play together. Both are ok with Ellis in Minny or Al is GS but my personal feeling is that neither will remain with those teams in the off season.

Shenanigans

Slum_Dillinger · Post #13 » by **Slum_Dillinger** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:03 pm

kingly222 wrote:Al is as good as gone. I'm hearing that Orlando is going to make a push for him this summer. They want a pf so that R. Lewis can move back to the small forward position.

I also heard that Rudy Gay wants to come here to play with Al. They have been friends since competing in high school and Rudy has said he wants to be here.

Another rumor I heard is that Monte Ellis and Big Al want to play together. Both are ok with Ellis in Minny or Al is GS but my personal feeling is that neither will remain with those teams in the off season.

Very interesting if true. Havent seen you around these parts in awhile.

Orlando really doesnt have much that interests me, unless we are talking a Dwight-Al swap

jpatrick · Post #14 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:23 pm

Kingly is somehow connected with Al so I wouldn't call dismiss what he says.

I wonder what Al and Love's reputations are around the league. Would we have a better shot at attracting FAs if we kept Al and traded Love? Should that be a factor in the decision?

Kingly, not sure what you can share but why do you have this opinion? Is it something that is coming directly from TWolves brass or just a general feeling based on Kahn's actions?

Orlando...that's one team with absolutely zero that would interest me as far as a trade would go.

dunkonu21 · Post #15 » by **dunkonu21** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:25 pm

Orlando can dream, but without Dwight there is not options for them. Monta is prolly one of the most coveted players for me, I would trade Love to get Monta and Al together (not straight up and with a big piece other than Monta coming to us).

Love, Sessions, Gomes and Bobcat's pick
for
Monta and GS pick top 3 protected

Post #16 » by **Basti** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:26 pm

does anyone think Big Al could work with Dwight offensively? I'm not so sure about that.

cpfsf · Post #17 » by **cpfsf** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:29 pm

Trade 1
Deng + Cats pick for Jefferson

Medium risk - HUGE reward

Trade 2
Here's a modification of the Shrink deal
MEM GETS: Monta
MEM GIVES: Mayo + Thabeet

GSW GETS: Jefferson
GSW GIVES: Monta + Morrow

MIN GETS: Morrow + Mayo + Thabeet
MIN GIVES: Jefferson

In Morrow's last 6 games, he's averaged 21.2/6.3/3.2 and 18 for 37 at the 3 point line in 39 MPG. Follow him for the rest of the season, I have a feeling starters will be rested for young guys so young guys can get minutes.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #18 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:18 pm

I'd be surprised if he gets traded before the season unless it's for Bynum or Biedrins and Randolph. Nothing else available makes sense.

the_bruce · Post #19 » by **the_bruce** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:36 pm

kingly222 wrote:Al is as good as gone. I'm hearing that Orlando is going to make a push for him this summer. They want a pf so that R. Lewis can move back to the small forward position.

I also heard that Rudy Gay wants to come here to play with Al. They have been friends since competing in high school and Rudy has said he wants to be here.

Another rumor I heard is that Monte Ellis and Big Al want to play together. Both are ok with Ellis in Minny or Al is GS but my personal feeling is that neither will remain with those teams in the off season.

Al, Rudy, and Monta in GS 4tw?

shrink · Post #20 » by **shrink** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:36 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I'd be interested in a package around Randolph or the Golden State 1st. How untouchable are they? Radmanovic/Azuibuikie could take up most of the filler, if necessary.

I'd definitely be ok with a VladRad/Buike/Randolph or GS 1st (assuming not top 2) for Big Al deal.

gswhoops wrote: I'd definitely be willing to include S&T Morrow as part of the deal, but he would have to be replacing Buike.

Vlad/Morrow (4yrs/$24M)/AR for Big Al work for you?

Morrow will get market value with a new contract, and shouldn't be considered a major asset. After a trade like this, its doubtful the warriors could afford him anyway.

Combining Jefferson and Biedrins makes each worth more, in a general, hand-waving way.