Flynn Vs Sessions

Post #1 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Mar 7, 2010 9:40 pm

Lets discuss this...

Why is Flynn the automatic starter with all the "potential" and Sessions is pegged into the back-up spot? Flynn is 2.5 years younger.

I do not have a set opinion on this, but I have heard some nice debate on this. What do you think?

Slum_Dillinger · Post #2 » by **Slum_Dillinger** » Sun Mar 7, 2010 9:59 pm

I go back and forth on this. On one hand I think Jefferson and the first unit could benefit from Sessions' steadier PG abilities and Flynn coming off the bench with Love/Ellington could really give our 2nd unit a spark.

On the other hand, Flynn is at least considered a threat shooting wise, while teams could easily cheat off of Sessions because of his inability to shoot and with Jefferson parked in the middle clogging the lane it might be tough for Sessions to provide a good amount of scoring, whereas with Love in the high post, Sessions can get into the lane a bit easier.

I say use the last couple weeks of the season to see if Sessions can really give us anything as a starter and see if people are right in type casting Flynn as a 6th man/spark plug/Jason Terry type with not even a full season under his belt.

cpfsf · Post #3 » by **cpfsf** » Sun Mar 7, 2010 10:32 pm

I want to see Sessions start, but at the same time I don't want to rock the boat either. If you do something like that, you don't want to give the impression that it's a demotion.

dunkonu21 · Post #4 » by **dunkonu21** » Sun Mar 7, 2010 10:53 pm

i can answer this thread in one word: pedigree.

Biff Cooper · Post #5 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:02 am

It really seems like Kahn has a lot of say in what Rambis does as a coach. Kahn obviously feels like Flynn can become a star in the NBA, so wants to give him the playing time he needs to develop regardless of whether or not it puts our best team on the floor.

Post #6 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:06 am

What does Flynn do wrong that you feel would improve with growth and time? Has he improved as the year progressed?

Slum_Dillinger · Post #7 » by **Slum_Dillinger** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:33 am

Biff Cooper wrote:It really seems like Kahn has a lot of say in what Rambis does as a coach. Kahn obviously feels like Flynn can become a star in the NBA, so wants to give him the playing time he needs to develop regardless of whether or not it puts our best team on the floor.

I don't really know what Kahn is thinking, but it seems to me like he was never sold on Flynn. He (allegedly) drafted him with the intent of trading him to Sac for Tyreke Evans and when that fell through tried to say that he and Rubio could fit together all while saying we need to get bigger, longer and better defensively. I think him starting from day 1 is more of a showcase. I don't think Flynn is here long term and talking him down and bringing him off the bench isn't going to increase his value

Krapinsky · Post #8 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:46 am

Flynn has more upside because of his age and athletic ability. If we're going to suck anyway, we might as well try and harness his talent sooner rather than later. But most importantly, with Rubio likely coming over in 2011 we have to know what we have with Flynn before then.

moss_is_1 · Post #9 » by **moss_is_1** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 1:06 am

I really think Sessions could be a special player. He can defend pretty well, and is a triple double type guy. I would like to see him get more minutes and have him and Flynn play together more as well. Sessions' should just work more on his jumper, but he can get into the paint with ease and is always making the right passes.

cpfsf · Post #10 » by **cpfsf** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 1:19 am

Flynn should never be on the court with Rubio. However, I want them both just because Rubio is really Flynn's doppelganger.

Biff Cooper · Post #11 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:03 am

revprodeji wrote:What does Flynn do wrong that you feel would improve with growth and time? Has he improved as the year progressed?

Flynn's little floater in the lane hasn't looked too bad lately instead of trying to take everything all the way to the hoop. His outside shot is maybe a little better lately too. He looks really good in the games where he is quick enough to take the guy covering him off the dribble. He really needs to work on figuring out how to break down a defense when he can't do this. This might take time. Usually, when he is breaking down the defense, he is doing it to get his own shot off. It would be good if he broke down the defense, forced help and then passed to make the defense pay for helping. Not sure how much of that we can teach him as his current way of playing may be somewhat ingrained.

It seems to me that Deron Williams had a 1st year somewhat similar (maybe slightly better than Flynn), but a light went on his second year and he really improved.

Slum_Dillinger wrote:I don't really know what Kahn is thinking, but it seems to me like he was never sold on Flynn. He (allegedly) drafted him with the intent of trading him to Sac for Tyreke Evans and when that fell through tried to say that he and Rubio could fit together all while saying we need to get bigger, longer and better defensively. I think him starting from day 1 is more of a showcase. I don't think Flynn is here long term and talking him down and bringing him off the bench isn't going to increase his value

I was always under the impression that Kahn really liked what he saw in both Flynn and Tyreke Evans, and had no problem getting "stuck" with Flynn. If Rubio comes over, one of the three will likely be traded, so since Flynn has more value than Sessions, it might make sense to showcase him more.

Esohny · Post #12 » by **Esohny** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:56 am

cpfsf wrote:Flynn should never be on the court with Rubio. However, I want them both just because Rubio is really Flynn's doppelganger.

Flynn and Rubio are identical?

cpfsf · Post #13 » by **cpfsf** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:47 am

Esohny wrote:
cpfsf wrote:Flynn should never be on the court with Rubio. However, I want them both just because Rubio is really Flynn's doppelganger.

Flynn and Rubio are identical?

I'm really tired now and can't think about literary terms. I thought that was the correct term to use, but rather than research it I'll just take your word for it and simply rephrase it instead to Rubio serving as a foil for Flynn. What I was getting at is that they are two unique guys, however they shouldn't share the court together. They don't share too much in common, but I believe the team will benefit from the different skills that these guys have to offer.

Slum_Dillinger · Post #14 » by **Slum_Dillinger** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 5:19 am

Rubio is like a Bizarro Flynn

Breakdown777 · Post #15 » by **Breakdown777** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 6:19 am

I'm lovin' all the sealab 2021 references, you jerkfaces.

prefuse73 · Post #16 » by **prefuse73** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:51 am

Thats why I would like to smack bill simmons a hundred times over...

We LOVED Evans. Sacramento was all over the place saying they liked Rubio, Flynn, Harden, and Evans. I too think we played up the Flynn love a little more (and evans a little less) in the hopes that Sacramento took Flynn (or Rubio). Can you imagine if Sactown took Flynn. We would have probably still drafted Rubio at 5, Evans at 6, and kept Lawson. However, an Evans/Curry backcourt with Sessions coming off the bench would have rocked the house. I can't think of two guys that would work better together.

I digress... I have to be honest, I am not sure where Kahn stands at this point. Both pg's have serious issues (decision making for Flynn and shooting for sessions), but I think Flynn has the best opportunity to over come them and potentially be great. I am very interested what he does in the offseason (like Deron Williams). He seems like the type of guy that will always add to his game. If we get Turner, a backourt of Turner and Flynn could be very good in the future. I would prefer just to keep Sessions until we secure Rubio unless we can package him (with Jefferson or whatever) to get us our high quality SF or a legit, defensive center. He is certainly a luxury to have on our bench and will push J-Fly to get better, faster.

lobishome · Post #17 » by **lobishome** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:07 pm

Buffffff ... what long is the regular seasson!! I have a déjà vu with many threads, and this is one of theese.

I can't see clearly what is the best of both, but I think Seassons is running out of time in Minnesota when they know if Wall or Rubio will play with them.

I think the question must be : Who do you want to trade this summer, Flynn or Seassons? ... and then the other one must be the started.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #18 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:22 pm

lobishome wrote:I think the question must be : Who do you want to trade this summer, Flynn or Seassons? ... and then the other one must be the started.

I wouldn't trade either one until Wall or Rubio is on the team, one of whom is unlikely to be playing for the Wolves next year, and the other flat out will not be playing on the Wolves next year.

Tirion · Post #19 » by **Tirion** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:50 pm

Neither is a starting material, but Sessions is miles better right now, cause Flynn's decision-making is atrocious and that's the most crucial part of being a good point guard. Drafting him was a huge miss for Kahn, although people forget that he didn't draft Flynn to be a starting PG, Rubio was supposed to be that. When Ricky chose to stay in Europe, Kahn went after Sessions. Why Rambis chose to stick with Flynn is beyong me.

lobishome · Post #20 » by **lobishome** » Mon Mar 8, 2010 1:17 pm

I

Devilzsidewalk wrote: wouldn't trade either one until Wall or Rubio is on the team, one of whom is unlikely to be playing for the Wolves next year, and the other flat out will not be playing on the Wolves next year.

I think if Kahn can pick Wall this summer, Rubio and Seassons will be traded.

But if Kahn cannot it, the surely he will pick Turner or Johnson and I don't know WTF can happen because I don't know if Minnie's fans can hold out another seasson like this.

Summary : it's tough Rubio plays for Minnie this summer. Really do you want wait for him another year?