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Detroit Trades:
Prince(exp), Maxiell, Stuckey(exp), Daye, #6

Minnesota Trades:
Jefferson, Sessions, Brewer(exp), #13, #22

Detroit
C: Wilcox(exp), Alabi(#13)
PF: Jefferson, Villenueva
SF: Brewer(exp), Summers
SG: Hamilton, Gordon
PG: Sessions, Collins(#22)

Minnesota
C: Whiteside (#6), Holllins
PF: Pekovic, Love, Maxiell
SF: Prince(exp), Daye
SG: Turner (#2), Ellington
PG: Stuckey(exp), Flynn, (Rubio)

If the picks fall this way would you be down with this move. We are also under the assumption Pekovic comes over next year and Rubio comes the next.

I'd do it if I could get at least Aldrich, Aminu, or Cousins

Detroit probably wouldn't unless they like Jefferson a lot and feel there's somebody thats gonna be available at 13 thats comparable to the value at pick 6

Make it Jefferson and #22 for Prince, #6, and Daye.

No interest in Maxiell or Stuckey, and no interest in giving up Brewer and #13.

If Daye is too much for Detroit to give, then take him and #22 out. You're trying to make it too complicated.

john2jer wrote:Make it Jefferson and #22 for Prince, #6, and Daye.

This. Simpler is better.

I for one think Prince is more than an expiring. When the Wolves drafted Marbury and KG they had vets like Doug West, Terry Porter and especially Sam Mitchell around to teach them how to be pros. I think Prince can be that kind of guy - he could be around as a valuable role player and veteran voice for Love, Brewer, Flynn et al.

Krapinsky's deal on the Trade Board has gotten some support from both sides:

Prince + #6 for Al Jefferson

First I dont want to trade Jefferson, at least not for this, but for the sake of argument:

Jefferson = Prince/DET 1st
Sessions/Brewer = Stuckey/Daye (I dont know much about Stuckey and how he fits with the wolves)
#13/#22 = Maxiell

So if someone with more knowledge of Stuckey could help me figure that out, that would help...but I have a hard time seeing that even if Stuckey/Daye is better than Sessions/Brewer...how the difference in value is made up by taking on Maxiell for a late lotto and late 1st?

Maybe I am making this too complicated, but I fail to see why we are including 2 firsts for Maxiell. Maxiell was probably added just to make salaries work, i am guessing.

Note: If we dont get that CHA pick, this year I dont want to trade it unless its for a higher pick this year. Its going to be very valuable in future years.

Here's how long these guys are signed for
2012/13 Hamilton
2012/13 Jefferson
2012/13 Sessions
2013/14 Gordon
2013/14 Villanueva

I don't think Detroit should do it. Sure the value's fair, but they will be a mediocre team in the future. They can't sign any free agents or use a high draft pick. If a team was just one Al Jefferson away from becoming relevant I could see them doing it (Sacramento or Chicago for example), but things would look pretty bleak for Detroit after the trade. Where do they go from here?

Maxiell DEFINITELY IS NOT worth #13/#22. Maxiell isn't worth an expiring, let alone 2 mid-1sts.

I liked Stuckey coming out of college, but really, he's not as good as Detroit fans want to make him out to be.

Leave it at Jefferson for Prince/#6, or increase it to include #22 and Daye. Nothing more than that.

john2jer wrote:Make it Jefferson and #22 for Prince, #6, and Daye.

I definitely like that better.

cpfsf wrote:I don't think Detroit should do it. Sure the value's fair, but they will be a mediocre team in the future. They can't sign any free agents or use a high draft pick.

I don't know. They've already set their course with the Hamilton, Gordon, and Villanueva long-term, expensive deals. Trades are their improvement option, and Jefferson fits a major need and is very likely better than what they could get with their pick. Shrug.

Prince(exp), Maxiell, Stuckey(exp), Daye, #6

Minnesota Trades:
Jefferson, Sessions, Brewer(exp), #13, #22

Jefferson = Prince, #6
Sessions, #13, #22 > Daye, Maxiell
Brewer > Stuckey (while both players may be close I value Brewer more because he is the only roughly consistent wing player we have)

No question I decline this deal. Leave out Brewer, Stuckey and the #13 and it's a deal.

Would Prince be a fit here? Maybe a vet that could last a couple years?

Or could we flip Prince?

Prince is an expiring contract, only has next season left. He'd be a one year veteran stopgap to hopefully spill some knowledge and good vibrations on our pups.

I'm sorry I just don't see it happening. What team would Detroit be in 5 years? I don't see anything better than the 8th seed with no sign of improving (losing Big Ben doesn't help either). They are a limbo team. I don't know about you, but a limbo team sounds like a fun team.

Here's just some trades I just quickly created.

Trade 1
Works only if Boozer bails though. The Knicks are tied for the 6th worst record.
Min IN: Pick (NYK) Pick (late first or early second round) Kirilenko
Min OUT: Jefferson Gomes
Utah IN: Jefferson Expiring
Utah OUT: Pick Kirilenko
Team 3 IN: Gomes
Team 3 OUT: Expiring + Pick (late first or early second round)
*TPE

Trade 2 (my favorite)
Jefferson for pick + Dunleavy
*They have the 4th pick now so they'd probably do it if it was the 5th pick or 6th pick

I don't even want to try creating a GSW trade.

cpfsf wrote:I'm sorry I just don't see it happening. What team would Detroit be in 5 years? I don't see anything better than the 8th seed with no sign of improving (losing Big Ben doesn't help either). They are a limbo team. I don't know about you, but a limbo team sounds like a fun team.

Here's just some trades I just quickly created.

Trade 1
Works only if Boozer bails though. The Knicks are tied for the 6th worst record.
Min IN: Pick (NYK) Pick (late first or early second round) Kirilenko
Min OUT: Jefferson Gomes
Utah IN: Jefferson Expiring
Utah OUT: Pick Kirilenko
Team 3 IN: Gomes
Team 3 OUT: Expiring + Pick (late first or early second round)
*TPE

Trade 2
Jefferson for pick + Dunleavy
*They have the 4th pick now so they'd probably do it if it was the 5th pick or 6th pick

I don't even want to try creating a GSW trade.

I would think if Boozer left, Utah would easily be better off starting Millsap who they matched that pretty big contract offer from Portland and adding a young Sloan kinda rookie to the team. They dont have high lotto picks often, dont see them giving it up for Jefferson.

I think the Pistons scenario is possible, try to move Rip and bring in a true PG to have a 3 guard rotation of Stuckey, Gordon, ______ + Jerebko around Al and thats a pretty solid team.

As for Prince, one year stop gap for sure, but I would have interest in bringing him back at a discounted price if we felt he was a good fit and we thought we were ready to make a push. He would probably want to go to a contender though.

Slum_Dillinger wrote:I would think if Boozer left, Utah would easily be better off starting Millsap who they matched that pretty big contract offer from Portland and adding a young Sloan kinda rookie to the team. They dont have high lotto picks often, dont see them giving it up for Jefferson.

I think the Pistons scenario is possible, try to move Rip and bring in a true PG to have a 3 guard rotation of Stuckey, Gordon, ______ + Jerebko around Al and thats a pretty solid team.

As for Prince, one year stop gap for sure, but I would have interest in bringing him back at a discounted price if we felt he was a good fit and we thought we were ready to make a push. He would probably want to go to a contender though.

I know the Utah trade is questionable at best. I just threw the Utah trade just to throw it out there. I like my Jefferson for #5 or #6 + Dunleavy since we could probably get Aminu or Johnson. I think this trade could be helpful for both teams if Favors, Cousins, Wall, and Turner were drafted.

cpfsf wrote:Here's how long these guys are signed for
2012/13 Hamilton
2012/13 Jefferson
2012/13 Sessions
2013/14 Gordon
2013/14 Villanueva

I don't think Detroit should do it. Sure the value's fair, but they will be a mediocre team in the future. They can't sign any free agents or use a high draft pick. If a team was just one Al Jefferson away from becoming relevant I could see them doing it (Sacramento or Chicago for example), but things would look pretty bleak for Detroit after the trade. Where do they go from here?

If Dumars thought those types of things through, we wouldn't have dropped all that coin on Ben Gordon and Stan Sitwell this summer.

I crown HW king of nicknames.

The question is not "do I hate Al Jefferson and want to trade him for whatever I can get". The question is "would another team give me far more value in a trade for Al Jefferson than this". The obvious answer is yes, we would get more value from another team hands down. So this is a bad trade. But that's jmo.