So now the media is making steve nash the victim?

[NetsWorld]

Almost every team's fanbase in the nba hates their coach and wants them fired.

Nash probably wasnt a good coach, but just two years ago he was a literal inch away from possibly going to the finals and winning it all. You can say that team wouldve won in spite of him, but no kyrie and they were still right there.

Its not all on Nash that theyve fallen this far since then. Players have to take a large part of the blame.

to be accurate, that two years ago comparison included Mike D'Antoni and Ime Udoka on that staff... with a balling out MVP run by Harden(before the decline).

So how much Nash credit was really there? if anything we learn more about Nash without the crutches....

even in the MIL series, that year including playoffs he made plenty of head scratching calls(but due to talent, it was overcome from time to time)

To put it bluntly, we had the greatest trio of individual offensive talent ever assembled on a team. But even with all of that talent, they were still run into the ground.

I don't know how anyone can look at Nash and think he utilized the talent he had at his disposal in an optimal fashion. It was clear that he never set the team as a collective to play efficient, consistently effective basketball on either side of the ball.

Stoudemire alluded to this too on ESPN. Nash was not the right coach and it was never Kyrie's or KD's call to get this guy on board with the team. The media always paints one side and that's how it has to be to them, you cannot argue otherwise and if you do, they **** on your head. MARKS WANTED NASH, not KD. But KD's body language told me yesterday he is amped about the Udoka move and we should be too. I hope the Nets turn the season around. This reminds me of the Harden trade. They started off poor then, and made that move.

[MrDollarBills]

This is exactly what you guys did with Ben.

I'm pretty sure most fans on here were open to giving Ben a chance without letting your bitter fanbase pollute our opinions about a guy coming in here for a fresh start. I personally said jack about Ben's relationship with the Sixers, other than the fact that yall can't let him, go as evidenced by the "appreciation" thread on your board.

[MrDollarBills]

Almost every team's fanbase in the nba hates their coach and wants them fired.

Nash probably wasnt a good coach, but just two years ago he was a literal inch away from possibly going to the finals and winning it all. You can say that team wouldve won in spite of him, but no kyrie and they were still right there.

Its not all on Nash that theyve fallen this far since then. Players have to take a large part of the blame.

to be accurate, that two years ago comparison included Mike D'Antoni and Ime Udoka on that staff... with a balling out MVP run by Harden(before the decline).

So how much Nash credit was really there? if anything we learn more about Nash without the crutches....

even in the MIL series, that year including playoffs he made plenty of head scratching calls(but due to talent, it was overcome from time to time)

To put it bluntly, we had the greatest trio of individual offensive talent ever assembled on a team. But even with all of that talent, they were still run into the ground.

I don't know how anyone can look at Nash and think he utilized the talent he had at his disposal in an optimal fashion. It was clear that he never set the team as a collective to play efficient, consistently effective basketball on either side of the ball.

Right. He only knew one way to get production and that was to run KD, Harden and Kyrie into the ground. A high school coach can at least come up with an offensive system that can generate good looks without having their star player in there.

Nash was a terrible coach. KD/Kyrie are toxic. Both of these things are true.

[Stanford]

I personally said jack about Ben's relationship with the Sixers

Oh okay nvm then my mistake

[thenbaman]

Nash was like 10% of the issue, at most. The real issue was that Kyrie and KD are soft as baby **** and got dominated by the Celtics. The year before, Kyrie got hurt and Harden was on one leg.

We have unreliable stars. Who have legit flaws to their game, it’s not like they’re perfect players in general anyway. Our third supposed star has been horrible on both ends of the court so far. We have a roster that’s depleted of defensive talent for 3 years now.

There are a lot of issues with this team, and for me, it always starts with Kyrie, KD, and Simmons. All the complaints about Nash in my honest opinion were just fans that don’t want to admit that our best players aren’t anywhere near as good as they think they are.

How many times you repeat same damn thing over and over yet you keep reading this crap.

" THERE IS A REASON WHY SAME COACHES WIN OVER AND OVER AGAIN !!! "

Yea they have better players.

[Riconet]

That ring has a lot of asterisks to it, also LBJ won with another mid tear coach in Lue. Bad example to pick on. It's more about LBJ than Vogel. Also don't bring Doc either because it straight demagoguery. If you can't separate top coaches from midtear ... well maybe evaluating talent is not your strong suit.
Ignoring Ime's accomplishment in Boston just in one year will be foolish. Though I think that he already walked in into established team with culture that was compromised by player we got. If he gets BK gig than we can really judge him imo.

I wasn't ignoring Ime's accomplishments in Boston. I think those were impressive accomplishments and that he is a really good coach. If it weren't for the baggage, I'd say he's the ideal coach for the Nets to rebuild with.

My point was that even though Ime is a really good coach, I don't think he'll be able to get much more out of this team than Nash did, mostly because Kyrie has poisoned the atmosphere, with KD's acquiescence, to the point that it is dysfunctional beyond repair.

Do you think Ime will get a lot more out of the Nets than Nash did?

[NyCeEvO]

That ring has a lot of asterisks to it, also LBJ won with another mid tear coach in Lue. Bad example to pick on. It's more about LBJ than Vogel. Also don't bring Doc either because it straight demagoguery. If you can't separate top coaches from midtear ... well maybe evaluating talent is not your strong suit.
Ignoring Ime's accomplishment in Boston just in one year will be foolish. Though I think that he already walked in into established team with culture that was compromised by player we got. If he gets BK gig than we can really judge him imo.

I wasn't ignoring Ime's accomplishments in Boston. I think those were impressive accomplishments and that he is a really good coach. If it weren't for the baggage, I'd say he's the ideal coach for the Nets to rebuild with.

My point was that even though Ime is a really good coach, I don't think he'll be able to get much more out of this team than Nash did, mostly because Kyrie has poisoned the atmosphere, with KD's acquiescence, to the point that it is dysfunctional beyond repair.

Do you think Ime will get a lot more out of the Nets than Nash did?

I can definitely see a scenario where Ime doesn't get a lot more out of this group compared to Nash. But for me, that would only be because KD & Kyrie aren't as impactful as many fans believe them to be, and the roster surrounding them still isn't suited to simultaneously maximize their talents and minimize their flaws.

[GTR11]

That ring has a lot of asterisks to it, also LBJ won with another mid tear coach in Lue. Bad example to pick on. It's more about LBJ than Vogel. Also don't bring Doc either because it straight demagoguery. If you can't separate top coaches from midtear ... well maybe evaluating talent is not your strong suit.
Ignoring Ime's accomplishment in Boston just in one year will be foolish. Though I think that he already walked in into established team with culture that was compromised by player we got. If he gets BK gig than we can really judge him imo.

I wasn't ignoring Ime's accomplishments in Boston. I think those were impressive accomplishments and that he is a really good coach. If it weren't for the baggage, I'd say he's the ideal coach for the Nets to rebuild with.

My point was that even though Ime is a really good coach, I don't think he'll be able to get much more out of this team than Nash did, mostly because Kyrie has poisoned the atmosphere, with KD's acquiescence, to the point that it is dysfunctional beyond repair.

Do you think Ime will get a lot more out of the Nets than Nash did?

Kyrie looked ahooked last night and Barkley pointed it out during halftime. Whether it was Nash departure or NBAPA statement is now irrelevant. Message was delivered and Kyrie heard it loud and clear, no more shenanigans while jury decides for decision. Huge advantage for Ime if he's getting hired here.

This team has most depth, experience and talent across the board. If Ime will be able to gather troops and succeed, than we can start evaluating how far this team can go. If he fails, than Tsai should blow entire team up, starting with coaches all the way to Sharpe, DDJ and Cam.

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets need to blow this up.

If you watched Boston vs Cleveland tonight you'd realize how inferior the Nets are to both of those teams.

KD and Kyrie's time has passed.

[NetsWorld]

Nash was like 10% of the issue, at most. The real issue was that Kyrie and KD are soft as baby **** and got dominated by the Celtics. The year before, Kyrie got hurt and Harden was on one leg.

We have unreliable stars. Who have legit flaws to their game, it’s not like they’re perfect players in general anyway. Our third supposed star has been horrible on both ends of the court so far. We have a roster that’s depleted of defensive talent for 3 years now.

There are a lot of issues with this team, and for me, it always starts with Kyrie, KD, and Simmons. All the complaints about Nash in my honest opinion were just fans that don’t want to admit that our best players aren’t anywhere near as good as they think they are.

How many times you repeat same damn thing over and over yet you keep reading this crap.

" THERE IS A REASON WHY SAME COACHES WIN OVER AND OVER AGAIN !!! "

Yea they have better players.

Sadly, Simmons plays very passive and not aggressive enough. We shall see what happens, Nets are dangling him for a shooter right now. Not surprised considering Udoka was hired and he is probably giving advice on what players he wants in place to make this work.

[Gooner]

How many times you repeat same damn thing over and over yet you keep reading this crap.

" THERE IS A REASON WHY SAME COACHES WIN OVER AND OVER AGAIN !!! "

Yea they have better players.

Sadly, Simmons plays very passive and not aggressive enough. We shall see what happens, Nets are dangling him for a shooter right now. Not surprised considering Udoka was hired and he is probably giving advice on what players he wants in place to make this work.

Simmons is untradeable, his contract is big and he is an offensive liability. Nobody wants that.

[TheNetsFan]

The Nets need to blow this up.

If you watched Boston vs Cleveland tonight you'd realize how inferior the Nets are to both of those teams.

KD and Kyrie's time has passed.

Big moves like this don't typically happen until close to the deadline. At best, they'll be after December/January when players signed in the offseason can also be moved.

A rebuild is coming. The question is what will it look like. Will Marks go nuclear and prioritize picks and development again? Will Tsai insist on trying to continue to compete and justify outrageous ticket prices?

NOLA has the Lakers picks & a bounty of others. Would we be willing to take some combo of players and picks that does not include Zion, Ingram or CJ?

Boston has the best win now piece likely to be available in Jaylen Brown, but does he keep us competitive, and do we want to risk losing him in FA since we can't offer him more than other teams in an extension?

Do we take Phoenix's combination of good but expensive young players & picks that might be good years into the future?

I think how Simmons is playing mid-season will weigh heavily on the rebuild style. If he's playing well, then you prioritize the best player(s), i.e. Brown. If he's still struggling, play the long game & take the NOLA package with the Lakers picks.

[Xtruroyaltyx77]

Almost every team's fanbase in the nba hates their coach and wants them fired.

Nash probably wasnt a good coach, but just two years ago he was a literal inch away from possibly going to the finals and winning it all. You can say that team wouldve won in spite of him, but no kyrie and they were still right there.

Its not all on Nash that theyve fallen this far since then. Players have to take a large part of the blame.

to be accurate, that two years ago comparison included Mike D'Antoni and Ime Udoka on that staff... with a balling out MVP run by Harden(before the decline).

So how much Nash credit was really there? if anything we learn more about Nash without the crutches....

even in the MIL series, that year including playoffs he made plenty of head scratching calls(but due to talent, it was overcome from time to time)

I think that was semi addressed in my post, but to be more specific, which coach is taking a team to the finals that doesn’t have players playing at a high level? Or good coaches on staff around them?

Like I said, Nash was probably a bad coach or not a good fit or whatever, but the players have to take a large part of the blame in the fall, mainly talking KD and Kyrie.