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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#61 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:29 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:The truth is when this team started to turn things around, Kyrie was suspended & Seth was in and out of the lineup & on a minutes restriction. We played bigger & excelled because of it. We kept it going when Kyrie got back, but once Seth became full time, Vaughn fell into the same smurf trap that Nash did. Is Seth better than Sumner? Yes. Is Patty better than Sumner? Maybe. Are either better fits than Sumner alongside Kyrie? Absolutely not.


Sumner's size and speed are reason enough to keep him on the floor.

This is also another reason why I have no issues trading Seth. We need to kill these small guard line ups.


But Curry works great as a spark plug off the bench. And what can we realistically get for him?

Unless we need to include his contract I don't see the point of trading him.


We most likely need to trade him or Harris in any deal to make salary work.

Plus, whatever can stop Vaughn from playing him and Kyrie together works for me. I've seen enough
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#62 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:40 pm

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Sumner's size and speed are reason enough to keep him on the floor.

This is also another reason why I have no issues trading Seth. We need to kill these small guard line ups.


But Curry works great as a spark plug off the bench. And what can we realistically get for him?

Unless we need to include his contract I don't see the point of trading him.


We most likely need to trade him or Harris in any deal to make salary work.

Plus, whatever can stop Vaughn from playing him and Kyrie together works for me. I've seen enough

There's a lot of guys out there that Seth's salary would match with, either straight up or with the addition of a rookie or minimum deal. The top of my list would be Hart and Caruso. If they're not attainable, guys like Bullock or Delon Wright would give us more size and defense in the backcourt.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#63 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:43 pm

I'm all in on Hart, he'd be an excellent fit. Caruso as well

I would even mortgage assets to obtain OG. We need to go all in right now.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#64 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Feb 2, 2023 7:00 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I'm all in on Hart, he'd be an excellent fit. Caruso as well

I would even mortgage assets to obtain OG. We need to go all in right now.


Hart is a poor shooter. Pass.

Caruso would help. But hes not really tall enough to guard wings.

Sometimes the grass just seems greener on the other side. We want to trade our own flawed players for players who are not really better.

Get me KD/Simmons back and playing at a high level. Two elite wing defenders. Then suddenly were complaining about something else instead.

To me rebounding has always been our biggest weakness. Backup bigman should be the target.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#65 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Feb 2, 2023 7:27 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I'm all in on Hart, he'd be an excellent fit. Caruso as well

I would even mortgage assets to obtain OG. We need to go all in right now.


Hart is a poor shooter. Pass.

Caruso would help. But hes not really tall enough to guard wings.

Sometimes the grass just seems greener on the other side. We want to trade our own flawed players for players who are not really better.

Get me KD/Simmons back and playing at a high level. Two elite wing defenders. Then suddenly were complaining about something else instead.

To me rebounding has always been our biggest weakness. Backup bigman should be the target.

A backup big does not solve rebounding issues. Rebounding issues are systemic. As a team we're not committed to boxing out, our perimeter players are undersized and avoid contact, our bigs try to block everything which takes them out of rebounding position, and players have a very bad habit of leaking out way too early.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#66 » by gigantes » Thu Feb 2, 2023 7:29 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I'm all in on Hart, he'd be an excellent fit. Caruso as well

I would even mortgage assets to obtain OG. We need to go all in right now.

Hart is a poor shooter. Pass.

Caruso would help. But hes not really tall enough to guard wings.

Sometimes the grass just seems greener on the other side. We want to trade our own flawed players for players who are not really better.

Get me KD/Simmons back and playing at a high level. Two elite wing defenders. Then suddenly were complaining about something else instead.

To me rebounding has always been our biggest weakness. Backup bigman should be the target.

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you there matey, but for once in my life-- yeah, agree! :D

Alex Caruso's pretty awesome IMO, but you know who ELSE was super-awesome (and getting better & better all the time?) BRUCE-fluffing-BROWN, matey!

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Simmons really does have the potential to change reality, err if he ever gets healthy...?
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#67 » by NetsJets » Thu Feb 2, 2023 7:36 pm

Any move we make it has to be to matchup with the Celtics. We’re not getting past them even with a healthy KD. I like the idea of OG. With KD, Ben (smh), OG, Yuta and TJ that’s good enough size on the perimeter to matchup with the Celtics.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#68 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Feb 2, 2023 11:08 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I'm all in on Hart, he'd be an excellent fit. Caruso as well

I would even mortgage assets to obtain OG. We need to go all in right now.

Hart is a poor shooter. Pass.

Caruso would help. But hes not really tall enough to guard wings.

Sometimes the grass just seems greener on the other side. We want to trade our own flawed players for players who are not really better.

Get me KD/Simmons back and playing at a high level. Two elite wing defenders. Then suddenly were complaining about something else instead.

To me rebounding has always been our biggest weakness. Backup bigman should be the target.

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you there matey, but for once in my life-- yeah, agree! :D

Alex Caruso's pretty awesome IMO, but you know who ELSE was super-awesome (and getting better & better all the time?) BRUCE-fluffing-BROWN, matey!

That-bitched,
Simmons really does have the potential to change reality, err if he ever gets healthy...?


I liked Brown but hes again too small. He got grilled the entire Celtics series on defense.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#69 » by sashaturiaf » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:42 am

We need to call our friends over at the Magic or Pistons and get one of their big forwards. OG would be what we need but no way if he's going to cost 3 firsts or something silly like that, he's a role player.

Jonathan Isaac would be a good buy low candidate, high injury risk but he's a menace on defense if he's able to play. If you can put 3 of KD/Clax/Ben/Isaac out at any time nobody is scoring on us.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#70 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:58 am

sashaturiaf wrote:We need to call our friends over at the Magic or Pistons and get one of their big forwards. OG would be what we need but no way if he's going to cost 3 firsts or something silly like that, he's a role player.

Jonathan Isaac would be a good buy low candidate, high injury risk but he's a menace on defense if he's able to play. If you can put 3 of KD/Clax/Ben/Isaac out at any time nobody is scoring on us.

I'll be shocked if OG gets 3 firsts unless it's the heavily protected kind that the Knicks own in abundance. Marks should make an opening offer of Harris, a sophomore and a future 1st with a willingness to add a second first. I'd even consider a Royce+Curry+pick package.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#71 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Feb 3, 2023 2:13 am

Off topic but it's hilarious that Harden's fat ass got snubbed by the coaches for the ASG.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#72 » by sashaturiaf » Fri Feb 3, 2023 2:18 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Off topic but it's hilarious that Harden's fat ass got snubbed by the coaches for the ASG.


He's a quitter when it counts the NBA knows that. Hell if you quit on KD you don't deserve any respect. **** that fat bum, let him get his empty numbers now in February he'll go 2/18 with 10 turnovers again in an elimination game when his team needs it. Bank it
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#73 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Feb 3, 2023 2:34 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:Off topic but it's hilarious that Harden's fat ass got snubbed by the coaches for the ASG.


He's a quitter when it counts the NBA knows that. Hell if you quit on KD you don't deserve any respect. **** that fat bum, let him get his empty numbers now in February he'll go 2/18 with 10 turnovers again in an elimination game when his team needs it. Bank it


I love how on the Sixers board they're crying right now. They know why the coaches snubbed him
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#74 » by Gooner » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:04 pm

Switching defense by Vaughn doesn't work without KD. They just drag Claxton out of the paint and then it's layup after layup. KD could cover some of that, now their defense is exposed. Especially when you have Curry in the lineup instead of Simmons. Vaughn also put Kyrie on Horford, and then he had Claxton and Sharpe together at some point. That was a horribly coached game by him.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#75 » by NetsJets » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:30 pm

Gooner wrote:Switching defense by Vaughn doesn't work without KD. They just drag Claxton out of the paint and then it's layup after layup. KD could cover some of that, now their defense is exposed. Especially when you have Curry in the lineup instead of Simmons. Vaughn also put Kyrie on Horford, and then he had Claxton and Sharpe together at some point. That was a horribly coached game by him.

Or the Celtics knows how to create mismatches?
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#76 » by Gooner » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:32 pm

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Gooner wrote:Switching defense by Vaughn doesn't work without KD. They just drag Claxton out of the paint and then it's layup after layup. KD could cover some of that, now their defense is exposed. Especially when you have Curry in the lineup instead of Simmons. Vaughn also put Kyrie on Horford, and then he had Claxton and Sharpe together at some point. That was a horribly coached game by him.

Or the Celtics knows how to create mismatches?


You create a mismatch by setting a screen when the opponent is switching everything.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#77 » by NetsWorld » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:16 pm

Gooner wrote:Switching defense by Vaughn doesn't work without KD. They just drag Claxton out of the paint and then it's layup after layup. KD could cover some of that, now their defense is exposed. Especially when you have Curry in the lineup instead of Simmons. Vaughn also put Kyrie on Horford, and then he had Claxton and Sharpe together at some point. That was a horribly coached game by him.



I have moved on past the humiliation that was Wednesday night. The lineup put out on the floor against the C's was a recipe for a loss, hence JV took the blame. But when you are missing two key elite defenders, you will fall pray to that. Perhaps Sumner would have helped a little but JT/JB were going to throttle no matter who was on them. Nonetheless, Marks knows Curry will not cut it against Boston so he's the odd man out. You need a stretch big to play against Boston; The Celtics were smart enough to expose the Nets real weakness from the 20-21 season and got bigs who can space the floor. They knew we were a small team and changed the course of how the game is gonna be played.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Celtics 2/1- 7:30 

Post#78 » by NetsJets » Fri Feb 3, 2023 4:30 pm

Gooner wrote:
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Gooner wrote:Switching defense by Vaughn doesn't work without KD. They just drag Claxton out of the paint and then it's layup after layup. KD could cover some of that, now their defense is exposed. Especially when you have Curry in the lineup instead of Simmons. Vaughn also put Kyrie on Horford, and then he had Claxton and Sharpe together at some point. That was a horribly coached game by him.

Or the Celtics knows how to create mismatches?


You create a mismatch by setting a screen when the opponent is switching everything.

Look at our lineups at times they didn’t always need to run pick and rolls.

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