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Re: GT: Suns @ Nets - Tuesday, Feb 7 ‘22 | 7:30 PM | TNT 

Post#121 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:24 pm

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sorry but this is a big yawn from me. who knows what happens? they had giannis swept if kyrie doesnt sprain his ankle even with harden on 1 leg, and had 2 games won to close him out if kd was 1 shoe size smaller.

lebron's win over GS was unthinkable with all the talent he didn't have around him.

boston lost horford and without him im not sure they win either of those first 2 games against brooklyn last year. how quick we forget that the nets beat themselves in games 1/2 even though kd played like crap.

gs/curry may not even make it so the entire playoff is up for grabs imo. if boston is the juggernaut with high expectations and not the 'everyone's against us' underdog i'd 100% bet the field vs. them being a prohibitive favorite cruising to rings.


Yes but we don't have Kyrie anymore. Thats the point.

I was never in favor of blowing it up when we had Kyrie. But we don't anymore.

LeBron had Kyrie. This team is not good enough. We don't have a 2nd star. Our second best player is Spencer dinwiddie.

We can delude ourselves into trying this again. And give up more assets in the process. Or we can face the inevitable truth and start the rebuilding process.

We can even get a lottery pick this year since Houston is terrible. Cam/Claxton is a solid core to rebuild around. Simmons may be part of it too who knows.


spencer was arguably the mavs 2nd best or 3rd best scorer (depending on how you rank brunson, who scored less but facilitated more) and they went to the WCF last year. dfs was their 3rd most valuable player overall and dinwiddie 4th. they had no Nic Claxton. they had a lot less depth (where you see bullock, frank ntkinla and max kleber below the nets have guys like royce, seth, warren).

and if cam's breakout is legit he may be the 2nd scorer they need.
and none of that is counting ben because who knows what he can do.
and there's still a deadline to possibly add at minimum a john collins type.

on nights kyrie went off he had an undeniable impact but he never fit into any sort of offense beyond iso ball and he was a drag on the way vaughn has had them playing defense. it remains to be seen how much net impact there is with him gone and dfs/dinwiddie here. yes lebron won with him, but kd lost with him because he sucked against boston and got hurt against milwaukee.

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Brunson was clearly their 2nd best player man. Without Brunson they are not as good.

Not to mention the West last year was just way weaker than the East is this year. The East is TOUGH right now.

I'm not totally against going for it.

I just think the smart move is to end this now. I think KD almost certainly asks out in the off season. And I'd rather just get assets for him now and get a lottery pick this year.
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Re: GT: Suns @ Nets - Tuesday, Feb 7 ‘22 | 7:30 PM | TNT 

Post#122 » by Netaman » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:32 pm

I said 2nd or 3rd best scorer not player. Brunson was their 2nd best player because he helped facilitate their offense more than dinwiddie did but here he may actually fill that particular role better than kyrie (he's obviously a better scorer than dinwidde but he was a pretty crappy facilitator of the offense). making up for the loss of kyrie should be a lot easier than making up for what harden did running the offense. especially if they dont need as much offense by giving up less on defense.

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Post#123 » by Paradise » Wed Feb 8, 2023 4:41 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:Dinwiddie should be the starting Guard for sure.

Loving Cam's scoring output, but bringing it off the bench is more beneficial to the team when Dinwiddie finally laces up.


Ben is the one that needs to come off the bench. he looks physically shot.

Or we could start all three.

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Ben
Clax

All are shooters, finishers and scorers with defense and passing.
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Re: GT: Suns @ Nets - Tuesday, Feb 7 ‘22 | 7:30 PM | TNT 

Post#124 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 8, 2023 6:10 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:Dinwiddie should be the starting Guard for sure.

Loving Cam's scoring output, but bringing it off the bench is more beneficial to the team when Dinwiddie finally laces up.


Ben is the one that needs to come off the bench. he looks physically shot.

Or we could start all three.

Spencer
Cam
KD
Ben
Clax

All are shooters, finishers and scorers with defense and passing.


Yeah I mean that's not a bad idea, but I worry about Simmons. How can the team watch him out there and think that this guy is healthy? He has no burst, lift, and he has to rely on floaters and hook shots because he can't attack the rim like he used to.
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