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GT: Nets @ Hawks | 02/26/2023 | 9:00 PM ET

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Re: GT: Nets @ Hawks | 02/26/2023 | 9:00 PM ET 

Post#101 » by Hello Brooklyn » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:33 pm

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Kyrie deflected and didn't want to take the shot at one point, and of course he choked that final shot. Kidd was frustrated and called the team out. The Suns best chance to win is now but I don't think they will get it done and I am expecting KD to be upset again next year and not satisfied; it will be nice to see these other teams experience what we did. Nuggets, Clippers and dare I say the Lakers are all better teams IMO. As much as I dislike the Lakers, I will cheer them over the Mavs and Suns.


Yeah the irony is Kyrie would have far better odds if he just stayed here.

On the Nets he had the legitimate chance to contend for a title. And if he had a drama free season the rest of the way he probably gets a max contract from either the Nets or Lakers.

Now he won't get it for sure.


Nets were all but finished with him; he wasn't coming back and he wanted to be in the driver's seat with negotiations. Had he waited and the Nets won, he probably gets his guaranteed four years. Hey, don't forget August 2021, Nets offered him a nice extension of four years 198 Million and he refused the vaccine which cost him. Beggers can't be choosers, fast forward a year and a half, he wants that contract now. Sorry, life does not work that way.


If the Nets even made the Finals we easily offer Kyrie a 4 year max.

Hes a class A moron. He likely gets a 2 year deal with the Lakers now. And good luck winning with 40 year old LeBron whos body is breaking down.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Hawks | 02/26/2023 | 9:00 PM ET 

Post#102 » by Minnamaker » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:45 pm

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ArksNetsSince99 wrote:You’re 100% right about Sumner and Yuta , we’re no longer contender , Harris Seth shouldn’t see the floor at all

Also we should get to grips that Spencer it’s 6 th man at best , not our hero ball guy , he shouldn’t start , he stops our ball movement a lot on offense , and on defense he doesn’t even try 90% of the time



I totally agree about Harris. But contending or not, I think the best of the other three players is Seth, and as such he should be in the rotation.

As far as Dinwiddie, I could live with him being sixth man, if there were five better, or even more useful, to start. Regardless of the hysteria about him, beginning even before he played his first game here, it seems so obvious to me that there are not. Reading this thread was depressing because I worried about the totality of so many knowledgeable posters saying things I thought were unwise. I felt somewhat better afterwards when I saw that the one person, who I'm convinced knows the game and team better than any of us, played Spencer the most, 41, minutes.

There were only three players with a positive +/-. Spencer was second, with Mikal, to DFS. It's ironic that multiple posts proposed that two of these and our high scorer CJ should come off the bench in the future. It might have made sense to me in another game.

After a dismal prior game when we had no offense, I thought we should have been more appreciative of Spencer, who was one of our four 20 point scorers against the Hawks. And if he stops the ball, with more than double the assists of anyone else last night, 8, what the heck does that say about every other of our perimeter players? I hate the term "hero" ball being used in such a derogatory manner against him, but he did have the high eleven points (on 5 of 6 shots) in the fourth quarter, and assisted on a critical three point play. Most chose to find a moment like believing he dribbled too much on a play, or any other negative, to make those incidences their opinion of his total worth. And regarding his not trying on defense, I disagree. Who was that trying to help Bridges on that last shot?

It's uncomfortable. But this may be the first time I've ever had to agree to disagree -- with everyone. I must be wrong.
While I do agree, that he gets too much criticism by fans, his flaws are evident too. The stats last game don't look that bad, the eyetest does. I'm not saying he lost us the game. He is important and one of the only ballhandlers on the team. But when he starts taking over a game, buckets often come hard. The problem is, that he is very slow in his decision making. He attacks late in the shotclock. The offense often already came to a halt when he starts attacking. People stand around and defenses get set. No easy buckets come out of these plays and it often results in stepback shots/hero shots etc. Last game he had some very costly turnovers too, but that will probably be better when they know each other better.

I hate his complaining though. After a miss or TO his priority is clearly to complain and not to get back on defense. That became a part of his game that really got out of hand and actually disgusts me lol.

Edit: for example the last play of the game that resulted in a cam j triple. The play started with dinwiddie dribbling the shotclock down to about 15 sec without any attack despite being down 3. JV took a timeout. After the play dinwiddie again dribbled without really attacking, but only a few seconds until the Hawks faked a doubleteam. That fake double resulted in dinwiddie passing the ball. All of a sudden there was ball and player movement and CamJ was wide open at the end. I'm sure that play would have been a sidestep 3 If the hawks did not show that second defender. That offense is fine with kd and ky, but not with dinwiddie IMO
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Re: GT: Nets @ Hawks | 02/26/2023 | 9:00 PM ET 

Post#103 » by ChuckS » Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:38 am

Minnamaker wrote:While I do agree, that he gets too much criticism by fans, his flaws are evident too. The stats last game don't look that bad, the eyetest does. I'm not saying he lost us the game. He is important and one of the only ballhandlers on the team. But when he starts taking over a game, buckets often come hard. The problem is, that he is very slow in his decision making. He attacks late in the shotclock. The offense often already came to a halt when he starts attacking. People stand around and defenses get set. No easy buckets come out of these plays and it often results in stepback shots/hero shots etc. Last game he had some very costly turnovers too, but that will probably be better when they know each other better.

I hate his complaining though. After a miss or TO his priority is clearly to complain and not to get back on defense. That became a part of his game that really got out of hand and actually disgusts me lol.

Edit: for example the last play of the game that resulted in a cam j triple. The play started with dinwiddie dribbling the shotclock down to about 15 sec without any attack despite being down 3. JV took a timeout. After the play dinwiddie again dribbled without really attacking, but only a few seconds until the Hawks faked a doubleteam. That fake double resulted in dinwiddie passing the ball. All of a sudden there was ball and player movement and CamJ was wide open at the end. I'm sure that play would have been a sidestep 3 If the hawks did not show that second defender. That offense is fine with kd and ky, but not with dinwiddie IMO



My post was not intended to praise Dinwiddie, or imply exceptionalism. But I do try to remember that it is likely the players, their spouses, and children, most likely seek out anything basketball. I'm not a "homer", but think there are worse things. And I do not read the board during the game. I'm jealous of those who can do that and post, but I really cannot walk and chew gum. So after the game, I was not upset about anyone being critical of anything. But I was overwhelmed by the totality of what, to me, seemed like amimus toward Spencer. I tried to use stats where they might provide additional insight. But there is really no arguing with an eyetest.

I respect yours. So I will, in the future, look to see if the fault you mentioned is more prevalent and harmful than I believed. I actually expected the offense to bog down on occasion. It has for three years, and now we have a new point guard, on a new team, with four new starters. I would expect occasional hesitation. Perhaps I am too accepting, but I hate making decisions with a small sample size, in such a bizarre new situation. And frankly, I wasn't a Nets fan when he was here before, and have not particularly followed his career. So I'm starting from scratch.

I agree with you on the whining to the officials. I think it is too widespread even league wide. I usually ignore it unless there is a Tech though. I might be wrong, but I thought that one was anger about what he believed was a foul on the drive.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Hawks | 02/26/2023 | 9:00 PM ET 

Post#104 » by JoseRizal » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:59 am

I don't know with you guys, but I will never ever root for KD, Kyrie and Harden. They're all selfish primadonnas who only cared about themselves. They're mercenaries who would jump at an opportunity to play for the highest bidders, with favorable circumstances (all-star teammates).

We just got lucky that KD signed that extension (again, for long term security reasons coming from an injury), but would we all think he would've stayed had he not been signed long term?

None of them ever cared about the team. None of them ever cared about Brooklyn. And most of all, none of them ever cared about us fans. So, why would we care about them?

I'd rather invest my time on players who wants to be here. Players drafted or traded for who are willing to stay and grow in the organization. I just want us to build a competing team the right way this time...

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