Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[G R E Y]

Psst...

Read on Twitter

that guy legit or at all credible?

Yes.

It may be media/interested parties push, but a Godfather offer for #2 has to be looked at.

Haven't heard Harper being thrilled to be a Spur except for how great it would be to play with Wemby but every player would say that.

Suns want a C. We have to help find one.

Any of Claxton, Williams, Porz, JJJ, one of Cavs' Cs are options.

[Netaman]

Psst...

Read on Twitter

that guy legit or at all credible?

Yes.

It may be media/interested parties push, but a Godfather offer for #2 has to be looked at.

Haven't heard Harper being thrilled to be a Spur except for how great it would be to play with Wemby but every player would say that.

Suns want a C. We have to help find one.

Any of Claxton, Williams, Porz, JJJ, one of Cavs' Cs are options.

claxton to the suns with Ott there makes a ton of sense. easy way for nets to add value as a 3rd team beyond eating bad $. something like this is basically spurs getting KD + CamJ for salary swaps and moving down 6 slots from 2 to 8.



nets giving up claxton, cj, #8, #27, plus eating the allen/keldon contracts to move up 6 slots.

[G R E Y]

that guy legit or at all credible?

Yes.

It may be media/interested parties push, but a Godfather offer for #2 has to be looked at.

Haven't heard Harper being thrilled to be a Spur except for how great it would be to play with Wemby but every player would say that.

Suns want a C. We have to help find one.

Any of Claxton, Williams, Porz, JJJ, one of Cavs' Cs are options.

claxton to the suns with Ott there makes a ton of sense. easy way for nets to add value as a 3rd team beyond eating bad $. something like this is basically spurs getting KD + CamJ for salary swaps and moving down 6 slots from 2 to 8.



nets giving up claxton, cj, #8, #27, plus eating the allen/keldon contracts to move up 6 slots.

I don't think we'd do 2 for Cam and 8. Need more assets ie/picks plus player we love has to be available at 8 and it's not a guarantee.

We'll see...

[Netaman]

I don't think we'd do 2 for Cam and 8. Need more assets ie/picks plus player we love has to be available at 8 and it's not a guarantee.

We'll see...

does keeping vassell move the needle? if phoenix took claxton + brought back camj, SAS could keep vassell. then it's really KD for the 6 slot move down.

[Netaman]

looks like it works with Spurs keeping Vassell.

[G R E Y]

I don't think we'd do 2 for Cam and 8. Need more assets ie/picks plus player we love has to be available at 8 and it's not a guarantee.

We'll see...

does keeping vassell move the needle? if phoenix took claxton + brought back camj, SAS could keep vassell. then it's really KD for the 6 slot move down.

I don't think we conflate the two deals. Like 2 should never be in play for KD. They're separate even as concurrent for roster improvement. Vassell and Castle and potentially Harper is overlap and we at some point have to consolidate assets. Vassell has improved a lot but he's closer to his ceiling than the other two who are also much cheaper.

We don't have to move 2 to get KD. We have lots of picks and assets to offer whichever team for a C, depending if said team needs picks or cap relief or whatever.

2 is only getting parted with for a Godfather offer else we keep it and it gets more expensive. But teams will always drive whatever leverage they can. Marks said Cam would previously cost us the unprotected Hawks picks. Well it never went beyond that. Of course too costly.

Just keep hearing of 2 being in play for the right price and I can't imagine Cam and one pick being it.

[Netaman]

I don't think we conflate the two deals. Like 2 should never be in play for KD. They're separate even as concurrent for roster improvement. Vassell and Castle and potentially Harper is overlap and we at some point have to consolidate assets. Vassell has improved a lot but he's closer to his ceiling than the other two who are also much cheaper.

We don't have to move 2 to get KD. We have lots of picks and assets to offer whichever team for a C, depending if said team needs picks or cap relief or whatever.

2 is only getting parted with for a Godfather offer else we keep it and it gets more expensive. But teams will always drive whatever leverage they can. Marks said Cam would previously cost us the unprotected Hawks picks. Well it never went beyond that. Of course too costly.

Just keep hearing of 2 being in play for the right price and I can't imagine Cam and one pick being it.

I think the KD deal is bound to conflate with Nets for 2 reasons, 1 obviously salary since they can accept salary that needs to get offloaded, and 2 because they have 2 quality players who can help the Suns now who their HC is familiar with. Ishbia just made a big deal about culture after hiring Ott, CamJ is a culture guy they are already familiar with, Claxton is the rim running defensive center they are looking for. Those 2 can fit with Booker/Beal to stay somewhat competitive while also adding back some picks.

So for a team looking to add KD but not subtract from their existing roster beyond needed salary filler, the Nets are an insta-trade. They just need to be bought off with draft equity.

It is certainly possible that the #2 doesn't go anywhere and the Nets role as 3rd team is just something like Claxton/#27 to PHO, #14/PHO salary dump to Brooklyn. And then the SAS/KD side (or KD/HOU) is its' own thing. If I was guessing that's the scenario I'd consider to be most likely. but there is something about harpers fit behind fox/castle that seems like SAS may be willing to listen to some kind of offer, just dont know what that fit would be. getting SAS KD + #8 seems like the most valuable thing the nets could do for SAS.

[vincecarter4pres]

Alright, it’s a wild one, but hear me out…

Phoenix in:
JJJ
Vassell
14th overall pick
‘27 NYK

San Antonio in:
KD
8th overall pick
‘27 BK(Houston has swap rights)

Brooklyn in:
Paul George
Grayson Allen
Keldon Johnson
2nd overall pick
7th overall pick

Philadelphia in:
Cam Johnson
26th overall pick
‘28 PHI returned

Atlanta in:
Clowney

New Orleans in:
13th overall
19th overall
35th overall

Memphis in:
Claxton
Sochan
3rd overall
‘26 SA or ATL, SA right to defer to ‘29 SA

[Papi_swav]

Bane was traded for FIVE first round picks. I think we can get ATLEAST 2 first rounders for CamJ without question

[Netaman]

Alright, it’s a wild one, but hear me out…

Phoenix in:
JJJ
Vassell
14th overall pick
‘27 NYK

San Antonio in:
KD
8th overall pick
‘27 BK(Houston has swap rights)

Brooklyn in:
Paul George
Grayson Allen
Keldon Johnson
2nd overall pick
7th overall pick

Philadelphia in:
Cam Johnson
26th overall pick
‘28 PHI returned

Atlanta in:
Clowney

New Orleans in:
13th overall
19th overall
35th overall

Memphis in:
Claxton
Sochan
3rd overall
‘26 SA or ATL, SA right to defer to ‘29 SA

i like wild but i think 2oa is as wild as i can get. sounds like from initial reporting JJJ and Ja not getting traded.

Think Bane trade was a unique perfect fit situation where Magic had a really strong offer, the pick MEM got this year is a really strong pick (they could quite easily draft McNeeley, Coward, Clayton or someone like that who is a very plug/play fit replacing Bane), the pick next year could be very strong too, and they just had an appetite to acknowledge their 3 max construction was doomed to not have a high enough ceiling as it was.

I think the Nets path to upgraded draft assets this year is via KD trade, and if not that then by taking back money from Boston or Cleveland along with assets attached. The best sign for Nets right now is the league wide activity level being as high as it is, one of the highest i can ever remember 2 weeks before a draft, showing there is in fact urgency. Probably driven by cap impact of new CBA aprons.

[Netaman]

Bane was traded for FIVE first round picks. I think we can get ATLEAST 2 first rounders for CamJ without question

some of those were likely to dump the contract of KCP/Anthony since neither is expiring. the swap is meh so it's really 4, with the latter 2 likely ending up non-lotto.

So Bane probably returned 3 frps, then the 2 bad contracts that add up to about $70m in the next 2 years probably cost 1 pick and 1 swap to eat.

the uncommon thing about the trade is the quality of the first 2 FRPs. #16 this year is strong. That is going to be a McNeeley, Sorber, Coward, Demin, Queen, etc. Very possibly someone who at some point was rumored to be in consideration at #8 for us. Then obviously the Phoenix pick next year looks even better considering they hit lotto this year before trading KD.

If the Nets are eating neutral or even negative salary in the deal like Memphis, or providing cap relief to someone, I think it is very likely a CamJ trade should return at least a lotto pick this year and possibly a future pick as well depending on how negative the salary is that they eat. I don't see him getting close to what Bane got in total but half seems reasonable for a player who is a lot cheaper, just a couple years older, and was very similarly productive last year on a team he led to one of the bigger overachievements vs expectation. I assume they are going to prioritize the highest lotto pick they can this year, which would almost certainly depress the quantity of additional assets they get.

Either way, great trade comp for Nets.

[Keith Van Horn]

I just hope Marks finds a way to really capitalize on the cap space we have. Like, not a mediocre move. Swing big. It's our biggest asset right now, more so than so many other teams.

With that said, I'm not even sure what's out there.

I've seen people on Twitter talk about PG + 3rd overall, but I can't see Philly selling that pick to offload PG. They tanked the **** out of this year and really want that pick.

[vincecarter4pres]

I just hope Marks finds a way to really capitalize on the cap space we have. Like, not a mediocre move. Swing big. It's our biggest asset right now, more so than so many other teams.

With that said, I'm not even sure what's out there.

I've seen people on Twitter talk about PG + 3rd overall, but I can't see Philly selling that pick to offload PG. They tanked the **** out of this year and really want that pick.

Have to wonder if they’ll take CJ and the 8 for PG and the 3, and remove all protections from the ‘28 pick they owe us?

That’s actually a sneaky killer good deal for us.

[Netaman]

I just hope Marks finds a way to really capitalize on the cap space we have. Like, not a mediocre move. Swing big. It's our biggest asset right now, more so than so many other teams.

With that said, I'm not even sure what's out there.

I've seen people on Twitter talk about PG + 3rd overall, but I can't see Philly selling that pick to offload PG. They tanked the **** out of this year and really want that pick.

Have to wonder if they’ll take CJ and the 8 for PG and the 3, and remove all protections from the ‘28 pick they owe us?

That’s actually a sneaky killer good deal for us.

I like that one but id be greedy and want to do like #19 + #26.

unlike 2 where you can get Harper, I don't see 3 as any kind of major get compared to 5 or 6 which i think are probably attainable.

[Netaman]

I just hope Marks finds a way to really capitalize on the cap space we have. Like, not a mediocre move. Swing big. It's our biggest asset right now, more so than so many other teams.

With that said, I'm not even sure what's out there.

I've seen people on Twitter talk about PG + 3rd overall, but I can't see Philly selling that pick to offload PG. They tanked the **** out of this year and really want that pick.

same here. I think he will and I think it will be as the 3rd team in the KD trade because I think Clax/salary factors seem to obvious for Nets. PHO seems to want to move off O'neale and probably Allen, no team taking on KD's $54m is going to be able to do that. Ott being there and PHO wanting a defensive center makes it too perfect to slide Claxton in and take back bad salary with a pick.

that formula fits with almost whoever it is that wins the KD portion of the trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

Honestly, as nice as Harper would be, Tre and Essengue, or Fears and Essengue would be great too.

[Netaman]

Honestly, as nice as Harper would be, Tre and Essengue, or Fears and Essengue would be great too.

any 2 of Essengue, Kon, Fears is my ideal draft. would love to snag demin, traore, or jaku too, but those first 3 are the guys I really like. I'd be thrilled with any of them at 8 so if we got 8 & 9 or 5 & 10 or some combo like that, that's what id be hoping for.

I think Tre ends up going ahead of those 3 but would be good with him in that group too.

[Netaman]

Don't hate this one. same structure could be applied to a KD trade as 3rd team with PHO getting either of Clax/CamJ.



#8, #14, #19 would be great. Maybe use #26 to move up from #8 to #6 or something like that.

#6 (or #8) = Fears, Kon, or Essengue
#14 = Jaku, Demin, or Traore (who knows maybe Queen or Bryant falls)
#19 = Sorber, McNeeley, Beringer, Hugo, or Wolf

That'd be a very strong haul.

[ecuhus1981]

Keldon really stunk out loud last season, both defensively and in his shooting efficiency. Was it his role off the bench, would he rebound to 2023 production in a larger starting role here? I don't know man.

I would do Cam Johnson and 27 for Barnes and 14, sure. Harrison is an expiring contract, and is a worthwhile upgrade for the Spurs IMO. But dealing Cam's 2yr deal for Keldon's 2yr one for trading into the last lottery pick doesn't really excite me, $20mil for a bad starter is not great money on the books.