Question for Net Fans

Post #1 » by **dashthemavfan** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:49 am

I want your take on each player we get back because I think the home fans know the best about their own players.

Jason Kidd: Tell me your thoughts on him. How is his defense now that he has lost some of his quickness? Could he guard a lot of shooting guards because he will be playing a lot with Jason Terry? Lots of people are saying Kidd is no good for the Mavericks because we have no finishers, but besides Kenyon Martin I don't remember a true finisher. (VC can finish, but he hasn't done that in ages, correct?)

Malik Allen: Can he provide any real minutes? I know he is a 15 foot spot up shooter, but what about his defense. We are thin up front so any little bit can help.

Antoine Wright: I remember watching him back at Texas A&M thinking he could turn into something. So he can play decent defense, but I heard he is inconsistant and is lost on offense. Anything else?

If you have any specific questions regarding any of the players you are getting back don't hesitate to ask and I will do my best to answer.

Post #2 » by **DDansby123** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:00 am

dashthemavfan wrote:If you have any specific questions regarding any of the players you are getting back don't hesitate to ask and I will do my best to answer.

I'll do the same. BTW, your first question on Kidd was answered well by the Nets fans on the previous page (last I checked). Just to prevent them from having to post again.

dacher · Post #3 » by **dacher** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:01 am

Your JK question have already been answered: http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=762358

MA: He's been great hitting open midrange. He does nothing else as far as I can see.

AW: He's an ok defender. Plays pretty good team defense. Spotty offense. No signs of ever being more than a bench player. Not fast, not athletic. Perhaps a change of scenery can salvage his career.

Post #4 » by **dashthemavfan** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:20 am

I completely missed the boat on that other thread. My apologies. If Kidd can guard SGs better than PGs that great news, as he will fit in perfect with Terry.

Birth of the Cool · Post #5 » by **Birth of the Cool** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:22 am

dashthemavfan wrote:I want your take on each player we get back because I think the home fans know the best about their own players.

Jason Kidd: Tell me your thoughts on him. How is his defense now that he has lost some of his quickness? Could he guard a lot of shooting guards because he will be playing a lot with Jason Terry? Lots of people are saying Kidd is no good for the Mavericks because we have no finishers, but besides Kenyon Martin I don't remember a true finisher. (VC can finish, but he hasn't done that in ages, correct?)

He gets burned by quick point guards and has trouble w/ pick and roll offenses. He is still good at anticipating passes and hides it well so he will get some steals for you, on the other hand he tries it too much & a good opposing PG will create fastbreak opportunities. With his size & strength he can guard the 1 / 2 and even 3 sometimes. When his head is right Kidd does hustle on D.

I too wonder how well he fits with the Mavs because from what I've seen (you would know better obviously) under Avery they are more of a half court iso offense oriented team. Kidd can still work his magic in 1/2 court (ex. passing off screens to Dirk / Howard / Terry) and he can force fastbreak opportunities with his will to run. If Dallas has a big that is a solid defensive rebounder & can quickly outlay rebounds to Kidd he can do the rest.

RJ is a true finisher. VC can finish but he doesn't run fastbreaks like RJ so Kidd can play with runners / trailers but obv. he is most effective with guys who will leak out on contested shots or constantly run hard when defense rebounds are secured.

I was disappointed in Kidd's leadership and the drama his off-the-court problems caused for the Nets these past few years but I think a new city away from some personal issues & a better team like Dallas may put Kidd's head on straight & that type of Kidd is still dangerous/effective.

dashthemavfan wrote:Malik Allen: Can he provide any real minutes? I know he is a 15 foot spot up shooter, but what about his defense. We are thin up front so any little bit can help.

Malik is a very solid spot up shooter. Unfortunately that is his only strength. His defense is poor since he is not very mobile and he's not very athletic or physical so he won't fix that void you have in the frontcourt at least on the defensive/rebounding aspect.

dashthemavfan wrote:Antoine Wright: I remember watching him back at Texas A&M thinking he could turn into something. So he can play decent defense, but I heard he is inconsistant and is lost on offense. Anything else?

He came into the league known as a good consistent shooter with some athletic ability. Antoine is probably the Nets best perimeter defender however his offense is miserable and this year especially has been atrocious. He steps out of bounds all the time making his move on the baseline / can't hit wide open shots / isn't great at handling the ball and so has difficulty creating his own shots HOWEVER he is young & still developing and perhaps a new system & new location will allow Antoine to fulfill the promise he had when the Nets drafted him.

Others have watched the Nets longer (pre VC) so they would probably known better about Kidd.

If you have any feedback on Harris & Diop I think all Nets fans would want to know since they are the big pieces coming back in return.

P.S. Used to live in Texas and I still miss the accents on the women.

arkuo · Post #6 » by **arkuo** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:54 am

you guys are gonna love devin... dude's a one man fastbreak... ask tony parker how it is playing against harris.. sticks to opposing PG's like glue.. defense and quickness are probably his best attributes.. and like kidd, his jumpshot is a bit iffy, but has been progressing ever since avery gave him the starting job... takes a lot of charges, probably a bit too much that he got critics to give him a "flopper" image...

diop is a defensive big... devin and diop were the ones who limited parker and duncan's scoring in one series against dallas before... sometimes gets too aggressive on defense that he goes into foul trouble early...

SaintofKillers · Post #7 » by **SaintofKillers** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:59 am

Diop is an enigma; you really don't know what you're going to get and when it's going to last. One day he will give you 8-11 rebounds, 2 blocks and if you're lucky even a few points, the next day he's playing 20 meaningless minutes -- the latter more so. The one constant he really has is blocking/ altering shots and keeping speedy quick players squarely in front of him to the point of even picking their dribble from a cross attempt and snatching it away. On the flip side he has zero offensive awareness, quite possibly the worst in the league; the ball to him on offense is like condoms to Shawn Kemp. But IMO the most revolting thing about Diop is that for a 280-pounder, his post defense is crap. He gets backed down fairly easily with very little resistance. But over-all for his price, age, and the dearth of decent NBA big men, he's an absolute blessing so I would really want to keep him if possible.

Harris, as you've probably heard by now, is extremely fast/quick and because of this, he's a very good defender and your ace in the hole against guys like Tony Parker, Barbosa, Ellis, AI, who cause gargantuan problems for a lot of teams with their quickness. He can either beat you to where you want to go and draw a charge then add some extra english to get the call (where all the flopping accusations are coming from) or just keep you in front of him as best as he can. Don't expect him to fight through picks or play post defense though. On offense, it's hard to stop his penetration; it's either an and-1 or a bucket when he blows by you. In fact the only hindrance to him scoring would be his ability to finish, which is rather inconsistent.

I really don't know what happened to his jump shot because it was his bread and butter in Wisconsin. He's slowly improving but if I'm the defender, I would still leave him open outside 5-feet of the basket six days till Sunday until proven otherwise. His playmaking skills are garbage (in addition to Terry who's much worse) and one of the reasons why we have a boring, easy-to-defend offense that involves giving the ball to Stack/Howard/Dirk and watching them work.

But I think you have a great young asset in Harris and maybe he'll blossom into a great PG someday as long as they don't ask him to be a PG and just allow him to do his thing which is score points and shut down people.

mack69 · Post #8 » by **mack69** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:07 pm

Here is the best thing that you should keep in mind. if Jason Terry is willing to run with Kidd. You may have an excellent backcourt. Kidd best time with us is whn he had Kerry Kittles.

MrDollarBills · Post #9 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:20 pm

Hey Mr DB here, i'll give you a quick analysis.

Jason Kidd- HOF Player, solid rebounder, can play good defense against SGs and SFs, just don't ask him to defend players that play the same position as him, or ask him to hit a jump shot for that matter! He's lost all ability to take it to the hoop effectively, but runs the break better than anyone in basketball and will make everyone on your team better if they run with him. He will make you guys better, but i don't really think he'll make you good enough to defeat the Lakers, Suns, or Spurs. God forbid you all play GS again and Avery asks him to defend Monta Ellis, he will get torched.

-Antione Wright: :rofl:

Thanks a lot for taking him off our hands. He's an absolute bust. Good defender when he wants to be, and has shown flashes of being able to convert a wide open lay up here and there, but other than that.....well, thanks for taking him off of our hands. Maybe he'll start knocking down those wide open jumpshots he gets. Oh, and he has the confidence of an emasculated dog that has been beaten repeatedly over the head with a brick. Thanks for the 2nd rd pick

Malik Allen- Has a decent jumpshot, and has the basketball IQ of a two year old child with a fisher price plastic hoop. When he is in for you guys, don't be shocked to see opposing offenses go on 10-0 runs within a minute's time. You're welcome for that expiring contract btw.

Hope this helps :nod:

good luck.

RJ 24 · Post #10 » by **RJ 24** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:27 pm

Everyone on this board hates Antione Wright because he can't hit shots. Although that is true, he does other things that are overlooked. The kid plays great defense and his moves around the rim are amazing. He reminds me of VC now around the rim. He drives to the basket and either makes a nifty layup to avoid the rejection or he passes off to a open man underneath there. If he can ever get his shot back, he could be a good player.

MrDollarBills · Post #11 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:37 pm

He reminds you of VC around the rim? I've yet to see Antione Wright shoot a fadeaway jumpshot, scream like a mad woman in efforts to get foul calls, or laying on the floor like a gunshot victim after getting contact. What I have seen Antione do that reminds me of Vince is stand on the perimeter looking like a deer in headlights when the team is getting the tar kicked out of them.

yeah, but overall, not a good comparison.

RJ 24 · Post #12 » by **RJ 24** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:39 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:He reminds you of VC around the rim? I've yet to see Antione Wright shoot a fadeaway jumpshot, scream like a mad woman in efforts to get foul calls, or laying on the floor like a gunshot victim after getting contact. What I have seen Antione do that reminds me of Vince is stand on the perimeter looking like a deer in headlights when the team is getting the tar kicked out of them.

yeah, but overall, not a good comparison.

When i said that, i meant how he finishes. (Definatly not the screaming dunks things) but how he avoids the denial or the big contact to make beautiful looking layups.

MrDollarBills · Post #13 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:51 pm

Well if we are talking about avoiding contact, yeah, i can see the comparison. Carter tends to do that a lot

No no seriously though, Antione has converted some solid lay ups when he gets the confidence to put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop but that was far few in between. Good riddance.

aussienet · Post #14 » by **aussienet** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:37 pm

To All you Mavs fans out there. I'm sorry to say this cos I love the bloke, yes he is great player yes he makes those around him better. But JKIDD is in the Big D for the Big $ he will make the team better but he now has to compete against the WC night in and night out. Mark Cuban obviously has agreed to pay JKIDD his $40 - 50 million extension. He asked for one here and soon as Thorn cleared his throat. JKIDD wanted out. Like I said I love him and I hope he get's his ring but I just don't see it happening with the Mavs. I really hope I can be proved wrong by the way.

As for Allen Thorn signed him in the hope he could replace Mikki Moore they both have decent mid-range J's but that's where the comparisons end. Does nothing else!!!!!!!

Antoine Wright has a lot of haters. The guy tears up summer league then leaves his game (confidence) there. Can play some good D. But likes to stand around and watch on ofence almost like he is a 17 year old who can't believe his on the court with JKIDD or VC and stands back and watches in awe at what is goin on around him.

By the way once the Nets season is over will be Following the Mavs closely to see how you guy's go

CHEERS!!!!!

Go NETS!!!!!

netsforever · Post #15 » by **netsforever** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:43 pm

If there's anyone who will benefit from Kidd on Dallas, it's the secondary players.

Stackhouse, Diop, Bass... even Howard to some degree, should see their FG% drastically improve with Kidd there.

He's been in NJ so long that we forget what kind of player he is. He's going to be a big help to Dirk, but Howard especially... will run the fast break if Dallas wants to run with him.

aussienet · Post #16 » by **aussienet** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:41 pm

netsforever wrote:If there's anyone who will benefit from Kidd on Dallas, it's the secondary players.

Stackhouse, Diop, Bass... even Howard to some degree, should see their FG% drastically improve with Kidd there.

He's been in NJ so long that we forget what kind of player he is. He's going to be a big help to Dirk, but Howard especially... will run the fast break if Dallas wants to run with him.

Ah dude didn't we just aquire Diop?